Rhinos

[SanRazo618]

Rhinos are some of my favorite groups of animals. I love that we have the Indian and White Rhinos that represent both Asian and African Rhinos but I feel like we need one more to properly represent the group. The last three rhinos are all Critically Endangered and it's important to showcase the plight rhinos face by introducing one of them. My dilemma is which one?

Personally, I'm rooting for the Black Rhino because of its uniqueness from the white rhino, population in captivity, and overall look and attitude. If we got the Black Rhino I'd want the model to have either more blunt horns than the white rhino or a bigger rear horn as is sometimes seen in individuals in the species.

Secondly, we have the Sumatran Rhino. My personal favorite rhino and the most threatened and in need of awareness. They are the smallest, hairiest, cutest species of rhino. There are less than 80 left on the planet and they are in dire need of all the help they can get. Getting them into PZ would be more about awareness and real-life conservation. A part of me would be depressed to see them so frequent in the market knowing that there are way more of them in PZ than in real life and we just breed them willy nilly in this game, but the real-life good the representation will do is way more important than any silly feeling I have. The last Sumatran Rhinos in captivity moved to Indonesia in 2015.

Thirdly, the Javan Rhino. the rarest rhino in the world with 74. They are heavily protected and their population is stable and increasing slighlty. The biggest issue they face is a lack of territory due to all 74 rhinos being situated in Ujong Kulong and the population might've reached its limit for the habitat. The Javan Rhino was in both ZT games and hasn't been in captivity for a long time.

So which rhino would you want in the game? I personally want the Black Rhino cause it's the most realistic and it would potentially showcase the difference between the two African Rhinos. But, the Sumatran is my favorite and the good it would do for species recognition is important.

Anyways, I would suggest you all visit the International Rhino Foundation's site and see how you can help these magnificent animals thrive on our planet for years to come.

 

[NZFanatic]

I'm a big advocate for the Sumatran rhinoceros, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at the black rhinoceros.

I like the Sumatran because I'd love to be able to pick up where Cincinnati Zoo left off. It's a shame they had to stop their experiment with them, after successfully breeding them in captivity. Sumatran rhinos are also the closest living species to the extinct woolly rhinoceros.

The white rhinoceros sated my desire for an African rhino, though, so black rhinos are a very distant second for me. I'm not even putting the Javan on the list - they've never successfully been kept in captivity before.

 

[SanRazo618]

I'm a big advocate for the Sumatran rhinoceros, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at the black rhinoceros.

I like the Sumatran because I'd love to be able to pick up where Cincinnati Zoo left off. It's a shame they had to stop their experiment with them, after successfully breeding them in captivity. Sumatran rhinos are also the closest living species to the extinct woolly rhinoceros.

The white rhinoceros sated my desire for an African rhino, though, so black rhinos are a very distant second for me. I'm not even putting the Javan on the list - they've never successfully been kept in captivity before.

Yea I really feel like Indonesia should’ve brought rhinos to the zoo since they were having success... but atleast the Sumatran Rhino Sanctuary has yielded calves. The issue is now capturing more rhinos to further the progress

 

[Aramar]

I don't want more rhinos, at least not before all other species that are lacking representation in the game are included first.

 

[NZFanatic]

I don't want more rhinos, at least not before all other species that are lacking representation in the game are included first.

Like what though? "Other species lacking representation" seems to be a very vague turn of phrase thrown around a lot. Not criticising you, just curious as to what you think it missing.

 

[Aramar]

Like what though? "Other species lacking representation" seems to be a very vague turn of phrase thrown around a lot. Not criticising you, just curious as to what you think it missing.

For example, rodents, sea lions, lynx and smaller cats, goats (from warmer climates), a proper deer, more American monkeys, ground birds like emu, secretary bird, pelican... I would prefer any of those over a third rhino that would be either from Africa or SEA, the two most represented regions in the game.

 

[SanRazo618]

For example, rodents, sea lions, lynx and smaller cats, goats (from warmer climates), a proper deer, more American monkeys, ground birds like emu, secretary bird, pelican... I would prefer any of those over a third rhino that would be either from Africa or SEA, the two most represented regions in the game.

Just because someone wants another rhino doesn’t mean they don’t want any of the animals you mentioned. And the rest of the rhinos are very unique from the rhinos in game in one form or another. For example the black rhino is more aggressive, smaller and solitary than the white rhino. The two forest rhinos live in tropical rainforests and are the smallest rhinos in the world. The Sumatran Rhino looks so different from the rest of the rhinos and is the hairiest rhino in the game. These differences Equate to having another goat or another deer that looks different to the one already in the game as you can see it’s all very arbitrary

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Personally, we dont need any more rhinos, objectivly only the sumatran rhino is diffrent enough to be included, but they arnt held in captivity anymore.

 

[SanRazo618]

Personally, we dont need any more rhinos, objectivly only the sumatran rhino is diffrent enough to be included, but they arnt held in captivity anymore.

With the addition of One of the three critically endangered rhino species there is an opportunity to educate people on the plight and threats of these specific species. People can see the two rhino species in game and be like, “oh I guess rhinos are ok after all” because we only have a vulnerable ant near threatened rhino in game. They’d never understand just how in trouble the group is

 

[Murray]

With the addition of One of the three critically endangered rhino species there is an opportunity to educate people on the plight and threats of these specific species. People can see the two rhino species in game and be like, “oh I guess rhinos are ok after all” because we only have a vulnerable ant near threatened rhino in game. They’d never understand just how in trouble the group is

I am not opposed to more rhinos. This is a good point but there are other endangered species in the game you could apply the same logic too. I don’t think it hurts to bring more awareness to them. If someone is unable to understand how in trouble the group is I’m not sure how not including them would help as much.

 

[SanRazo618]

I am not opposed to more rhinos. This is a good point but there are other endangered species in the game you could apply the same logic too. I don’t think it hurts to bring more awareness to them. If someone is unable to understand how in trouble the group is I’m not sure how not including them would help as much.

Again, because I say this for rhinos does not mean I’m opposed to it for other groups. I just want people to learn about animals and how rough they have it now. I’m always welcome to adding endangered species because I know the power this game can have on young kids like me back when I played zoo tycoon two and I learned all about animals and the ways that we can help them. Having another rhino does that because they’re critically endangered. Just like having an Addax or scimitar oryx does. I welcome it all. That’s why I was so happy we got a pangolin in this game. I just feel like someone could possibly get the wrong idea that rhinos are OK because of the two in the game

 

[Murray]

Again, because I say this for rhinos does not mean I’m opposed to it for other groups. I just want people to learn about animals and how rough they have it now. I’m always welcome to adding endangered species because I know the power this game can have on young kids like me back when I played zoo tycoon two and I learned all about animals and the ways that we can help them. Having another rhino does that because they’re critically endangered. Just like having an Addax or scimitar oryx does. I welcome it all. That’s why I was so happy we got a pangolin in this game. I just feel like someone could possibly get the wrong idea that rhinos are OK because of the two in the game

I definitely see your point. It’s true that having so many rhinos would make it seem like they are not as endangered as they are. I’m just saying they should not use that logic to determine if there going to add another rhino. There are going to be the people who see it that way and there will also be people who as you said could learn a lot from it. Either way we’re probably not getting another one in the near future but who knows!

 

[SanRazo618]

I definitely see your point. It’s true that having so many rhinos would make it seem like they are not as endangered as they are. I’m just saying they should not use that logic to determine if there going to add another rhino. There are going to be the people who see it that way and there will also be people who as you said could learn a lot from it. Either way we’re probably not getting another one in the near future but who knows!

I could see them doing an endangered animal pack as one of the last packs and rolling one into there

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

I dont think that would sit well with most of the community. One of the last packs and we get a for zoos irrelevant rhino?
I doubt that would happen, even though you can still dream

 

[SanRazo618]

I dont think that would sit well with most of the community. One of the last packs and we get a for zoos irrelevant rhino?
I doubt that would happen, even though you can still dream

Black rhinos are not zoo irrelevant they’re pretty common in captivity. Especially here in Florida

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

You see were this is going?
I dont think words can describe better why most of the community would not want the black rhino

 

[SanRazo618]

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You see were this is going?
I dont think words can describe better why most of the community would not want the black rhino

They’re not similar at all. They’re taxonomically not even in the same genus. The only rhinos that share a genus are the Javan and Indian rhinos. They act different. The white rhino is a grazer which is why it has square lips. The black rhino is a browser which is why it has hooked lips. The black rhino is smaller and more solitary. The black rhino is also more aggressive than the white rhino. The black rhino has a more pronounced jump and the ears and head are shaped differently. I could cherry pick pictures that make them look similar too. In the OP I specifically mentioned different looking black rhinos to show just how much they differ from white rhinos and how the game could make sure to highlight those differences.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

I mean yeah sure i know that too, but thouse things dont make them look more diffrent. And i didnt cherry pick lol. I just googled their names and took 2 pic from the side, both from the first row. If that already counts as "cherrypicking" then we both now how it is.
I dont mean to insult you or your wishes, im just stating why i wouldnt want it and why i dont think it would be a smart buissness decision for frontier

 

[SanRazo618]

I mean yeah sure i know that too, but thouse things dont make them look more diffrent. And i didnt cherry pick lol. I just googled their names and took 2 pic from the side, both from the first row. If that already counts as "cherrypicking" then we both now how it is.
I dont mean to insult you or your wishes, im just stating why i wouldnt want it and why i dont think it would be a smart buissness decision for frontier

Most people on this forum want a leopard. How much do a leopard and a jaguar, snow leopard or clouded leopard differ? (I know how much they differ Im just showing you how the logic is flawed.) It’s all very arbitrary and some groups obviously get preferential treatment than others and it shows with how shafted certain herbivores have been

 

[Aramar]

Just because someone wants another rhino doesn’t mean they don’t want any of the animals you mentioned. And the rest of the rhinos are very unique from the rhinos in game in one form or another. For example the black rhino is more aggressive, smaller and solitary than the white rhino. The two forest rhinos live in tropical rainforests and are the smallest rhinos in the world. The Sumatran Rhino looks so different from the rest of the rhinos and is the hairiest rhino in the game. These differences Equate to having another goat or another deer that looks different to the one already in the game as you can see it’s all very arbitrary

I clearly said "I don't want more rhinos", no "nobody wants more rhinos", so I was just giving my personal opinion on the thread. I know there are differences among the other rhinos, but I don't need them. Also, I prefer have 2 goats and 2 rhinos instead of 1 goat and 3 rhinos. It's a better balance for me. Then I added a list of animals that I prefer over another rhino because someone asked me directly about it.