RTX 4070 ti for VR?

[Globusdiablo]

I'm reading mixed opinions. Does anyone here have first hand experience with this card? I'm considering an upgrade from the 3070 ti, but at this point I'm unsure if it even is an upgrade.

I'm not interested in what others have read about performance. Only first hand is relevant to me. Has anyone here gone from a 3070ti/3080/3090 to the 4070ti, and what are your findings?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Arioch]

I'm reading mixed opinions. Does anyone here have first hand experience with this card? I'm considering an upgrade from the 3070 ti, but at this point I'm unsure if it even is an upgrade.

I'm not interested in what others have read about performance. Only first hand is relevant to me. Has anyone here gone from a 3070ti/3080/3090 to the 4070ti, and what are your findings?

Thanks in advance.

I bought a 4070ti on release day and it was an upgrade from a 3070ti - and while I haven’t got any figures for you, I can say performance definitely increased in VR.

Odyssey still has hiccups (but not as many), but that’s Odyssey The other PCVR games I’m playing at the moment (SkyrimVR, iL-2 Sturmovik, Cyberpunk 2077 mod) are now all running at higher settings and resolution and the fan noise from my PC has decreased which is a bonus. I’ve only had an occasional look at CPU-Z and Nvidia Inspector but the 4070ti looks to be running more efficiently.

I’m happy I made the upgrade - and my 3070ti sold quickly on eBay which helped ease the cost of the new card.

 

[Globusdiablo]

I bought a 4070ti on release day and it was an upgrade from a 3070ti - and while I haven’t got any figures for you, I can say performance definitely increased in VR.

Odyssey still has hiccups (but not as many), but that’s Odyssey The other PCVR games I’m playing at the moment (SkyrimVR, iL-2 Sturmovik, Cyberpunk 2077 mod) are now all running at higher settings and resolution and the fan noise from my PC has decreased which is a bonus. I’ve only had an occasional look at CPU-Z and Nvidia Inspector but the 4070ti looks to be running more efficiently.

I’m happy I made the upgrade - and my 3070ti sold quickly on eBay which helped ease the cost of the new card.

Ok. Good to know. Thanks.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

edit.. deleted sorry should have read op more closely......

 

[Globusdiablo]

edit.. deleted sorry should have read op more closely......

I hear you though. It appears that the 192 bit memory bus is a bottleneck for VR (and higher resolutions in general). It's smaller than the 3070ti even (256 bit).

This post/thread in particular has made me hold my horses:

https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1053j1i

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1053j1i/4070_ti_performs_worse_than_3080_12gb_in_vr/

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

indeed i know you said you didnt want opinions - hence i deleted my post... but given the gpu you have right now i would stick with what you have, save a few more pennies and then go for a 4080 (dont know about AMD sorry but possibly one of their cards instead if you wanted the red team)

i have a 3090 so skipping this gen entirely despite kind of wanting one....... (if i could mine profitably i would get one but i cant )

 

[Globusdiablo]

indeed i know you said you didnt want opinions - hence i deleted my post... but given the gpu you have right now i would stick with what you have, save a few more pennies and then go for a 4080 (dont know about AMD sorry but possibly one of their cards instead if you wanted the red team)

i have a 3090 so skipping this gen entirely despite kind of wanting one....... (if i could mine profitably i would get one but i cant )

Yeah, that's kind of my thinking as well. 3090 is an excellent card and am considering looking for one second hand. But the 4xxx series should be more power efficient, and that is oddly a new concern in this day and age.

As you say, I'll be saving my pennies for now.

 

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I hear you though. It appears that the 192 bit memory bus is a bottleneck for VR (and higher resolutions in general). It's smaller than the 3070ti even (256 bit).

This post/thread in particular has made me hold my horses:

https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1053j1i

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/1053j1i/4070_ti_performs_worse_than_3080_12gb_in_vr/

Thats been deleted now as you can see the 4070 ti sits exactly inbetween a RTX 3090 and RTX 3090 ti in VR performance. I'd say buying a cheaper 3090 ti would be stupid because theres a 16GB 4070 TI model coming out soon that might have a higher bandwidth and you'd be losing the DLSS 3 frame generation which makes a massive difference in games that currently support it. I'd still choose the RTX 4070 TI

 

[Globusdiablo]

Thats been deleted now as you can see the 4070 ti sits exactly inbetween a RTX 3090 and RTX 3090 ti in VR performance. I'd say buying a cheaper 3090 ti would be stupid because theres a 16GB 4070 TI model coming out soon that might have a higher bandwidth and you'd be losing the DLSS 3 frame generation which makes a massive difference in games that currently support it. I'd still choose the RTX 4070 TI

Thanks. Yes, well after some back and forth with myself I've decided to skip this generation and wait for the 5xxx.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

How reliable were those benchmarks? i have not followed that closely but all the videos i have seen show the 4070ti to be barely much better than a 3080.

that looks quite the jump in performance..... not saying they are wrong necessarily but i would want more confirmation before splashing my cash personally..... i too am in a skip this gen... but then i have a 3090. if i had an older generation gpu then it would be harder to resist.

the 4080 is where i would be aiming personally however.

 

[Globusdiablo]

How reliable were those benchmarks? i have not followed that closely but all the videos i have seen show the 4070ti to be barely much better than a 3080.

that looks quite the jump in performance..... not saying they are wrong necessarily but i would want more confirmation before splashing my cash personally..... i too am in a skip this gen... but then i have a 3090. if i had an older generation gpu then it would be harder to resist.

the 4080 is where i would be aiming personally however.

Indeed. And that's a price point I'm just not willing to go to right now.

I'm all for synthetic benchmarks, but in my opinion they just don't cut it when it comes down to actual performance in specific games. From what I've read/understood, the memory bus can be a bottleneck especially in VR which requires 2 high resolution screens running with high frames per second at the same time.

No doubt that 4xxx is a good generation, but I can't justify the splash.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

indeed... its a bitter pill to swallow. i was ok with my 3090.... i wanted a 3080 but they were like hens teeth. i would have got one, i had been waiting for a drop all day and it came when i was picking my boy up from school.
it was wetting it down with rain and my phone screen was unresponsive in the wet. by the time i got through to ordering my 3080FE from scan they had sold out.
the 3090s were in stock for maybe 2 minutes longer and i was able to get that.

but that was when mining was a thing and i knew i could pull back the lions share of the cost mining Etherium.. and i did (at its peak i had mined over £2000 worth using my 3090 more than covering its £1400 cost)

but now that is no longer really viable the 4000 series are looking pretty expensive. maybe if a 5070 can come in around the £600 - £700 mark and have he performance somewhere between a 4080 and 4090, i will upgrade then. I usually try to double my performance when i upgrade my card however so that may be a big ask.

 

[Morbad]

I'm all for synthetic benchmarks, but in my opinion they just don't cut it when it comes down to actual performance in specific games. From what I've read/understood, the memory bus can be a bottleneck especially in VR which requires 2 high resolution screens running with high frames per second at the same time.

Should be able to extrapolate performance from sufficiently similar parts, and there is at least one professional review featuring the 4080 and 4090 in Elite: Dangerous VR: https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/5/

The RTX 4070 ti compares to the 4080 almost exactly as much in practice as their theoretical performance would indicate (the 4070 ti being about 20-25% slower), which is typical for parts of the same architecture.

Unfortunately, they don't list the version of ED being used.

 

[Globusdiablo]

Should be able to extrapolate performance from sufficiently similar parts, and there is at least one professional review featuring the 4080 and 4090 in Elite: Dangerous VR: https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/5/

The RTX 4070 ti compares to the 4080 almost exactly as much in practice as their theoretical performance would indicate (the 4070 ti being about 20-25% slower), which is typical for parts of the same architecture.

Unfortunately, they don't list the version of ED being used.

Excellent. Thanks for the share. They mention the training missions as most reliable/repeatable benchmark. But that would suggest the old build, right?... (Oh dear)

So, if you were to extrapolate performance of the 4070ti compared to the 3070ti (larger memory bus), what would your guesstimate be?

I'm assuming that the 4070ti is faster (for single screen performance sure, but how much faster for VR?), but I just don't think it's worth the extra expense.

I've already settled on waiting out this generation, but I still think it's an interesting debate.

 

[Morbad]

Excellent. Thanks for the share. They mention the training missions as most reliable/repeatable benchmark. But that would suggest the old build, right?... (Oh dear)

So, if you were to extrapolate performance of the 4070ti compared to the 3070ti (larger memory bus), what would your guesstimate be?

I'm assuming that the 4070ti is faster (for single screen performance sure, but how much faster for VR?), but I just don't think it's worth the extra expense.

I've already settled on waiting out this generation, but I still think it's an interesting debate.

The training missions are available in 4.0, but I do suspect they are using 3.8 as they have VR reviews of ED that go back to pre-Odyssey days.

In their prior review the 4080 outpaces the 3080 Ti by a wide margin, except in areas that look like they are probably getting CPU limited, despite the memory bandwidth advantage being proportionally higher in favor of the 3080 Ti than it is in favor of the 3070 ti when comparing it to the 4070 ti. The 3080 Ti has 28% more VRAM bandwidth than the 4080; the 3070 Ti has 21% more than the 4070.

The RTX 4080 VR Performance Review

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babeltechreviews.com

I'd expect the 4070 Ti to be appreciably faster than the 3070 ti at all resolutions. If you were running a resolution where VRAM bandwidth was the overriding factor between the two, neither the 3070 ti nor 4070 ti would be anywhere near fast enough.

 

[Globusdiablo]

The training missions are available in 4.0, but I do suspect they are using 3.8 as they have VR reviews of ED that go back to pre-Odyssey days.

In their prior review the 4080 outpaces the 3080 Ti by a wide margin, except in areas that look like they are probably getting CPU limited, despite the memory bandwidth advantage being proportionally higher in favor of the 3080 Ti than it is in favor of the 3070 ti when comparing it to the 4070 ti. The 3080 Ti has 28% more VRAM bandwidth than the 4080; the 3070 Ti has 21% more than the 4070.

The RTX 4080 VR Performance Review

The $1199 RTX 4080 Founders Edition VR Performance Review plus SPEC, Pro Apps, Workstation & GPGPU (Part 1) BTR received a $1199 RTX 4080 Founders ... Read more

babeltechreviews.com

I'd expect the 4070 Ti to be appreciably faster than the 3070 ti at all resolutions. If you were running a resolution where VRAM bandwidth was the overriding factor between the two, neither the 3070 ti nor 4070 ti would be anywhere near fast enough.

Excellent bit of extrapolation. Thank you. Your input is rarely disappointing.