Hardware & Technical Saitek X-56 Rhino first impressions

After 1000(s) of hours in Elite Dangerous since we first entered the little 5-system Alpha bubble, my Saitek X-55 Rhino finally gave up on me. It was at a slightly awkward moment too: I had taken my slightly modded FDL into a Weapons Fire Detected [Threat 1] USS, which in this case was a small wing of dropships harassing some traders. I disposed of the first two, but when engaging the third, the internal spring in the stick broke and my ship started yawing like it was on permanent FA off. After the last dropship was gone, I logged out, pulled the X-55 apart and decided that it had lasted long enough. It has been put aside for spare parts if need be. A few of the buttons on the throttle were already on their way out, as was the button on the stick I had been using for UI Focus.

Time to upgrade. The Saitek/Mad Katz X-55 had its idiosyncrasies: The light bases means either be gentle on the stick or screw it down - it has holes for mounting on something more solid. However, it also has a slightly plasticky feel to it indicating it may not handle being treated roughly very well. Or rather, it has that plastics/composites feel, which is not necessarily flimsy and one should probably aim for precision rather than brawn when flying. It can be squeaky, but that is nothing a bit of silicone spray won't fix. And some of the buttons I never quite figured out how to program.

Since I was overall impressed with the X-55, I decided that the X-56 might be a worthy successor. Logitech has taken over the Pro Flight HOTAS series and seem to have gone for a setup that is VR friendly. The new stick is similar to the X-55 overall, although blue on black rather than red on black. And the back-lighting is different and takes a bit getting used to. The lights on the throttle seem much brighter than those on the stick. The little nipple on the X-55 throttle has been replaced with a mini-stick, and the thumb button on the left side of the X-55 stick has been replaced with a mini-stick as well. These work great together for thruster control, especially with FA off on the right pinkie switch for some Silent Mode gliding. However, I used the thumb button for the secondary weapon trigger before and now have to unlearn 1000 hours of firing/scanning habits.

ED has an X-56 default configuration which seems to work well right away without too much tweaking. The stick is responsive and can be used precisely with the default base spring attached. Like the X-55, it comes with a handful of other springs of different resistance, and these seem better balanced for the X-56 compared to the X-55 springs. The throttle is very stiff right out of the box, but it should soften up after a bit of use if it is anything like the X-55 throttle. It did not have the issue of signal bleed that I experienced with the X-55, but that may also be due to better powered USB 3 ports on my desktop compared to the laptop I gamed on until a year ago.

After an hour or so of tweaking settings I took to the demo scenarios to see how the setup worked without having to risk sacrificing the old FDL in the process. The first two scenarios (target practice and single sidewinder) revealed an issue with a dead zone on the pitch, yaw and roll axes that I could not get rid of. It may be an issue of the scenarios, though, as the third and fourth scenarios (slightly more aggressive single and duo opponents, respectively) did not come with that issue. I went into the main game to test it with the FDL, and it also did not have dead zone issues. The two new mini-sticks make thruster use during turning very effective as well. Having secondary fire set to the "A" button on the tower part of the stick is a bit awkward, but I should get used to it. There are still a couple of buttons on the throttle that appears not to be programmable with ED.

Overall I'm happy with the X-56 so far, although we shall see after a few hundred hours. It is an improvement over the X-55 and got rid of some of the main issues with the X-55. The plasticky feel should fit well with Empire ships if you are so inclined. If you are violent on the stick, it may not be for you, though, as it is rather light despite the large base. If you worry about the spring in the stick breaking during yaw (seems like it happens at times), I suggest getting pedals for yaw. However, it already takes up two USB 3 ports, so you will need an excess of these to add pedals as well.

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I have the X-55, and have made use of all the buttons on both the throttle and the joystick at one time or another. Still tinkering.

1. Have you considered using one of the buttons on the throttle for secondary fire?. I know that not all of the buttons have the same tactile feedback you would expect from a fire button, however, typically I find I'm not "pulling the trigger" on my secondary fire as I do with primary fire. I actually have the H button (index finger, left hand) as my secondary fire. If you have multiple weapon configurations. I find it helps to have the fire buttons on the same side as they as the weapon/scanner/FSD..... being displayed on screen.
The only time I use a secondary fire button on the joystick is when Mining (to launch prospectors and collectors)

2. Slide or SLD switch on Throttle: This is the only button on the X-55 that is NOT recognized by windows as a game controller button (and therefore cannot be directly mapped from ED config). I programmed the slide switch to emulate a Caps-Lock key press and release when moved in either direction. Caps-Lock is the keyboard button bound to Landing Gear in ED (at least it is in MY config).
If you are having trouble identifying the multiple buttons on the X-56 throttle I suggest using the Windows game controller settings:
Windows Key(or click on windows icon) -> Control Panel -> Devices and Printers. Then right-click on either the throttle or joystick icon icon and select "Game Controller Settings". A new window opens and you can choose throttle or joystick from there. Then click Properties.
IMPORTANT: if you have programmed any button/rotary in the HOTAS software to emulate a key-press (or multiple key-press) that button/control will NOT register in the Windows Game controller settings.
(Its the only use I have for the MODE switch - to switch back to default values for testing).

3, I did try using the mouse nipple on the X-55 throttle first for head-look and then for vertical and lateral thrust, it was a no-go on both. I ended up using the top throttle thumb rotary (F) for lateral thrust and bottom Thumb rotary (G) for vertical thrust. I can imagine that if that nipple was improved and made into a mini-stick (as it seems to be on the X-56) that would be a very good control for vertical and lateral thrust.

4. OK so the thumb button on the STICK is also a mini-stick as well? I had not picked up on that. Hmm I guess I can imagine that as vertical and lateral thrust, but would it not be too much for you control in your right hand?
I think I would be using that as weapon selection or target selection maybe?

5. Finally, have you considered using the LEFT throttle for forward-only main thrust and using the RIGHT throttle for forward and reverse thrusters in landing mode (just remember to program a central dead zone on the right throttle using HOTAS software (not ED config) The Right throttle can also be used to control SRV forward and reverse motion (once you get used to it)
 

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My x55 also finally packed out and so I took the plunge with the newer batch of x56s. It hasn't disappointed, though I miss the button that is now a "joystick" on the flight stick. No issues with it so far though... touch wood!
 
I know logitech acquired Saitek but when did it happen and have they really had time look over and redesign the x56 and get new batches out or is it wishful thinking?
 

SlackR

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I bought mine from Amazon AFTER it had changed to Logitech. I assumed this meant better QC. It was a preorder and Saitek x56 were in stock on the site so I took that to mean the ones not yet in stock were a new batch with (hopefully) more rigorous quality standards. Like I said... hasn't disappointed.
 
[hotas] I bought the X-56 in June, arrived defective with a stuck control. RMA, got a replacement about 3 weeks later, the replacement has performed flawlessly, wish the Rhino software worked as well.
 
Great info here! My X55 has just started having some slight issues with a few buttons on the throttle that only seems to work when the throttle is at a certain state. So I'm guessing cable trouble...
Anyhoo... When my X55 goes to heaven, I might get the X56. :)
 
[hotas] I bought the X-56 in June, arrived defective with a stuck control. RMA, got a replacement about 3 weeks later, the replacement has performed flawlessly, wish the Rhino software worked as well.

The software doesn't seem that useful. And if one follows the directions for installing, things just get tangled up with Windows own installation routine. Only issue I have now is a slightly truncated range of the throttle, which probably happened when I was mucking about with the calibration curves in the Rhino software...

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I know logitech acquired Saitek but when did it happen and have they really had time look over and redesign the x56 and get new batches out or is it wishful thinking?

The improvement seems to be subtle. Mainly slight redesigns of the button layout by adding those mini sticks. It has a slightly more solid feel, but is still plastics if you don't like that. The solid feel may simply be me comparing a new purchase to a rather worn X-55.

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I know logitech acquired Saitek but when did it happen and have they really had time look over and redesign the x56 and get new batches out or is it wishful thinking?

Actually I believe MadCatz had bought Saitek, then Logitech bought it from them.
Whatever happened, Ive read that quality went way down and hasnt gotten better.
 
The software doesn't seem that useful. And if one follows the directions for installing, things just get tangled up with Windows own installation routine. Only issue I have now is a slightly truncated range of the throttle, which probably happened when I was mucking about with the calibration curves in the Rhino software...

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The improvement seems to be subtle. Mainly slight redesigns of the button layout by adding those mini sticks. It has a slightly more solid feel, but is still plastics if you don't like that. The solid feel may simply be me comparing a new purchase to a rather worn X-55.

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Yeah I dont mean the difference between x55 and x56, but rather if there has actually been any change to the x56s design and internals since Logitech purchased Saitek from Madcatz.
People are talking about better quality stuff but have logitechs involvement even had time to have any effect at all?
 
Actually I believe MadCatz had bought Saitek, then Logitech bought it from them.
Whatever happened, Ive read that quality went way down and hasnt gotten better.

I know that the X52 was a solid stick before MadCatz bought Saitek and the quality deteriorated pretty quickly right after that.
 
Don't mean to ask dumb questions, but on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the the most demanding . How would you rate your use of the x56 ? Examples would be violently moving the stick .
 
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