... or just to go a alternate site with better light 
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And a neck-brace.
All you guys driving around! Doesn't anyone else use the boost on the SRV and sail over the ruins?
Confuses the hell out of sentinels too, once I got two of them shooting at each other - unintentionally of course. Yay Guardian Ruins, that's what I say!
Confuses the hell out of sentinels too, once I got two of them shooting at each other - unintentionally of course. Yay Guardian Ruins, that's what I say!
Let me know when you're next having a bash, I'll jump over and assist.
If you're on your own, you could give your SRV health and weapons a synthesis boost to help with knocking down the Sentinels and surviving their fire.
Yeah, it is a pain at the start, after a while tho it is like a (more difficult admittedly) Davs Hope rotation.
You will just get good when you have plenty of blueprints
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You will just get good when you have plenty of blueprints
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Thanks. I did premium repair the SRV before starting this run. It's down to about 95% now. I'm not sure I've got the mats for a premium re-arm but I'll keep it in mind.
I used those walkthroughs
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/walkthrough-guardian-module-blueprints.438289/
First 2 runs were quite nightmarish, but you'll learn the sites map eventually and then it will be routine.
And since you already did some runs in the chosen site, keep doing it. It's only a matter of practice.
And you have to do it multiple times anyway
'Rom! ROM! That's not a sentinel, that's your own ship you're shooting!'
To avoid time constraint I do the whole thing in stages:
1. Make the two pillars near the terminal pop up.
2. Do a circuit of the site raising the other pillars (so they're easier to find in a hurry) and clearing out sentinels. Get a relic.
3. Do a circuit of the site activating pillars, finishing with the ones at the terminal; get the scan.
4. Gather any materials I want.
I only ever attempt this in Solo. IMO this looks designed as solo content and having anyone else around can only make it harder (activating pillars or stirring up sentinels too soon).
1. Make the two pillars near the terminal pop up.
2. Do a circuit of the site raising the other pillars (so they're easier to find in a hurry) and clearing out sentinels. Get a relic.
3. Do a circuit of the site activating pillars, finishing with the ones at the terminal; get the scan.
4. Gather any materials I want.
I only ever attempt this in Solo. IMO this looks designed as solo content and having anyone else around can only make it harder (activating pillars or stirring up sentinels too soon).
Has anyone mentioned the handbrake?
OP if you engage the handbrake the sentinels will not be able to flip your SRV
OP if you engage the handbrake the sentinels will not be able to flip your SRV
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A few things that really helped me unlock the annoying Guardian puzzle installations :
All of that really helped to remove most of the annoying parts and keep things as streamlined as possible.
- review the Videos demonstrating the structures of the different Sites
- if possible, do the Guardian relog fests in a daylight site (really helps orientation)
- use the Debug Cam when needed to get a nice overview or when orientation is lost temporarily
- Point Defense indeed is best place on upside of Ship with free firing arc; Small/Medium Ships have the huge advantage of being able to park inside the Sites without big hassle
- getting the Blueprint(s) works only once per Instance, otherwise everything will work but the Terminal will just eat up another Relic without spitting out anything
All of that really helped to remove most of the annoying parts and keep things as streamlined as possible.
Hm. Not sure about multiple Commanders messing it up. Had about six hours doing assists today, no problems.
Everybody in the instance could get a blueprint, even when a fourth Commander dropped in he got one.
But... confusing for beginners.
Another tip for the debug camera:
When all pylons are activated (timer off) have a really good look around, locations should be much easier to fathom.
I've unlocked most of the guardian cheese on 3 commanders. The process gets very optimized after a few run throughs.
What I'm struggling with now is the design layout of the facilities. The whole thing feels so contrived and "gamey". The data is distributed and accessed with relics (obtained through facility destruction and magical reconstitution), the power points are energized with weapon fire - not guardian power cells. Certain "blue prints" require a space station visit, with more weapon fire. The whole thing feels very DnD - fetch the magic key to open the magic chest and get the special light show and be granted the magic scroll for crafting access.
What the heck were these aliens thinking? It's weird to me.
Why did the ME2 Legion Mission feel "better" even though you're pretty much just shooting crap? All of the dialogue seemed to give context and meaning to the experience.
I followed Exegious awesome guides, but wow, the actual task loop was completely devoid of any cultural / narrative reveal of the Guardians. It was completely a skinner loop to get a cookie.
What I'm struggling with now is the design layout of the facilities. The whole thing feels so contrived and "gamey". The data is distributed and accessed with relics (obtained through facility destruction and magical reconstitution), the power points are energized with weapon fire - not guardian power cells. Certain "blue prints" require a space station visit, with more weapon fire. The whole thing feels very DnD - fetch the magic key to open the magic chest and get the special light show and be granted the magic scroll for crafting access.
What the heck were these aliens thinking? It's weird to me.
Why did the ME2 Legion Mission feel "better" even though you're pretty much just shooting crap? All of the dialogue seemed to give context and meaning to the experience.
I followed Exegious awesome guides, but wow, the actual task loop was completely devoid of any cultural / narrative reveal of the Guardians. It was completely a skinner loop to get a cookie.
When you scanned the orb, did a message come across the comms "why the hell were you shooting me?"
I've have to agree that, not just the Guardian stuff, the whole game is rather "shoot it". It's a popular trope in video games; you go into someone's house for the first time and you smash all their pottery in case they dropped some spare change in there. That's the limitation you have when the only action button you have swings a big pointy thing around. Look at Tomb Raider for example. Even in the modern ones with great Story-Telling, if you see a box you smash it.
If a game wants to transcend that limitation then it usually needs cut scenes or dialogue. Elite doesn't have those and, even if it did, the Guardians have been dead and gone for a very long time. Some games manage a little context with carefully placed assets that tell a story, but it is legitimately hard to do that when the player is wrapped in a ship or an SRV, when you don't get to create any interiors, and when all the assets you can possibly place have to be several million years old and have no language in common with the player. Not to mention that the whole thing has to reset for the next player who comes along, or even this player if they re-enter the instance, and be somewhat believable in doing so.
Although I'm a professional developer I've never been a games developer but I've designed and run desktop role-playing campaigns for decades. I believe there may be ways to bring more context and subtlety into the process. It would take longer and be more involved. It could be different for every player and create a real connection between the player and the long-dead Guardians. But it wouldn't be simple to design and it would take extra code in the game engine, both client and server, to support it. Would that be worth-while? I think it would, but I don't work for Frontier and I don't get a vote. This might be core game-play to me and you, but it would probably be a pain in the neck for the PvP brigade who only want to grind for half a day and then engineer their ship.
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