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(just in case someone misses the humour, i'm not saying its fixed)
Seriously, what is FDev smoking?
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(just in case someone misses the humour, i'm not saying its fixed)
Yes, they would not leave. Seriously, I dropped a rocket barrage across the base, then jetpacked back to where the chest was and there they were guarding the box I couldn't open because the mission giver didn't give me the code. Remember, this was supposed to be an easy mission to fetch something. I imagine they were spawned to scan me as I approach the mission box to determine if I were wanted. This has happened a few times since. Including one time where the box I was supposed to open (as part of a simple fetch mission) was inside a restricted zone for which I wasn't given clearance.
That doesn't work anymore. At least not for me. I tried that 2 nights ago, right after 6.1 and the skimmer said "no data" and all the loot chests were empty, but all the NPCs were respawned, so there's that. A little closer to elite feet, I suppose.
Sometimes. My preferred method of covert ops goes like this. Head straight to the power building, e-breach the door(without being seen), pop the reactor tech with a suppressed sniper rifle(I really need to suppress other weapons, but I don't have the mats), then clone him(almost always has clearance 3). Then head to the nearest unguarded terminal, tag the alarm console, then head there and turn off alarms with my new clearance 3(killing anyone between me and the console(which if the console is in the CMD building is a lot of people), then head to a terminal and tag the mission item, then head to the mission item, killing anyone between me and the item. Grab item and book back to my ship and leave.
Here is the thing only sometimes does killing someone result in bounty/notoriety. And it isn't consistent. Sometimes if you kill someone in a locked room with no witnesses, you get no notoriety/bounty, sometimes you get 1 notoriety. Sometimes killing civvies gets you notoriety, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes killing troops gets you notoriety, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I have made it on base, grabbed the item, and gotten back to the ship without killing, or being observed at all, still got fined for using my arc cutter/e-breaches. I have killed one particular base over and over with no bounty or notoriety at all in the 50 times I killed it, and another base generates tons of notoriety. It makes no sense. There is a hidden stat that would make this make sense, not unlike the scan stat that makes stations scan some ship types more than others, but I just don't see it.
Huh...
I ALWAYS get a bounty when killing someone (however, it's possible the person you kill has a bounty, and that is why you don't get one yourself- remember, in ships, you no longer have to scan before firing on wanted criminals, and you don't get a bounty for killing wanted criminals)
Notoriety, I reckon, it ticking up in decimals when you kill a single person, that's why sometimes, you get a point of it, and sometimes you don't, it doesn't display the decimals of your notoriety, just the integer.
Yeah, similar method - find the alarm system (either e-breach a terminal, or just know where it is as there are only 28 settlement types) go there, turn it off (either with e-breach, or the ID from the person you likely killed to get to the console)
Then just wander about killing anyone that gets in your way till the mission is done.
Simple.
Ah, OK. Killing is not a problem for me - as in, I never need to kill anyone when doing a covert theft/heist. I just wondered if getting in and out without getting caught (no deaths, no alarms) actually gave you notoriety.
I am guessing it doesn't then.
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you get a bounty, sometimes a fine, sometimes notoriety, and it doesn't make sense as to when or why. Use an e-breach, might get a fine, might get a bounty, might get nothing. Maybe it notifies nobody, maybe it alerts everyone on the planet. If it sometimes decides to give you a bounty and alert everyone on base, then killing becomes necessary.
That is great...for you. FDev have broken and fixed a lot of things since release. For example, before, you could just relog at an irregular markers site to repopulate with loot and data. They "fixed" that to where you had to SC away, drop and then return to respawn the items. OK fine. But then they "fixed" it again to where that no longer worked. I also have loads of engineered stuff. And eventually I was able to unlock Velasquez after doing and completing FAR more covert thefts than was required. Over 30 completed covert missions. Many others have noticed that sometimes a mission counts toward unlock and sometimes it doesn't. And that is just one of many things that have been broken, fixed and broken since this add on was released.
I am still greatly annoyed that when you take a legal mission to do a legal action you end up with a bounty AND notoriety even though the same mission in the ship doesn't work that way. If I take a legal kill mission in the ship, and I track down the target and they are with a wing of clean ships, I can kill the target and when their friends open up on me, I can kill them too with no bounty, and no notoriety. It should work that way on foot as well. EVEN in the wetwork missions, that are illegal, you do not get notoriety. But somehow you do when on foot? Why?
As for killing a ship dropping off soldiers, I do that all the time and actually get bounty vouchers for killing the ship, despite the ship scanning as "lawless" and not doing a KWS prior to dispatching it. On rare occasions I get a bounty for blasting the soldiers that it was dropping off, but no notoriety. You see how this is screwed from a consistency standpoint? Notoriety was supposed to be for griefers and gankers ONLY. And while we are on the subject, if you turn yourself in, it clears the bounty but not the notoriety, why? This sets up a situation where you are locked out of station services because of a fine. Seriously? And you can't pay a fine while notorious, but not wanted, who decided that was a good idea? The IF was supposed to be there to clear bounties and fines for players that broke the rules, but they won't clear a fine until you are at zero notoriety again. Boy, that makes sense. "We are a pirate faction, in anarchy space, we do what we want and have ways to clear your fines and bounties, arrrg. Oh wait, you aren't a boy scout? Well come back later when you are." Seems to me that pirate/anarchy factions would want to deal with outlaws more, rather than only dealing with relatively clean criminals.
Unlocking Terra was always more or less bugged.
Not many were lucky to unlock her after exactly 6 covert missions as it was supposed to. But most did it in less than 12 missions (i did it in 10)
30 missions and no unlock? that seems really absurd and i really suspect user error - no intention to offend you in any way, but that's how it looks.
I'm well aware off the relog "fix" for random POIs. It makes things more tedious and i'm really miffed by it since it's really not a fix.
And i will say it again: Supercruising instead of relogging is not a Fix for relogging.
And they did not seem to increase the drop rates for the rarer Data to compensate for the so called fix.
That's another confusion.
There is no such thing as a legal mission that gives bounties and notoriety. You get those only if you do illegal stuff.
Missions that ask you to do something illegal are marked as such in an obvious manner - and if you take an illegal mission you should expect bounties and notoriety.
And that happens in Space too, but with the difference that now you apparently get notoriety for murder for mission targets too (it was a really weird thing to murder someone and not get notoriety only because it was the mission target. Murder is murder in both cases)
So keep on the right side of the law if you cannot accept consequences for illegal stuff.
No EDO mission type, except massacre and assassination missions should end up in a blood bath. And if you take those, you should expect bounties and notoriety (*)
*(Unless the target is an Anarchy - if so, all is well
)Nope, that seems to be another confusion.
Notoriety and ATR response were introduced to counter the mass murders some cmdr were committing for BGS purposes (killing countless clean ships and police ships to nuke the security level of that specific faction)
So... it works as intended in EDO too... a bit late, but it does work now
I take 1 notoriety extra if my ship would spawn with me in the detention centre
So you agree that there is a problem unlocking Terra, but believe you know better about how bugged it was for ME? Really? Wow.Unlocking Terra was always more or less bugged.
Not many were lucky to unlock her after exactly 6 covert missions as it was supposed to. But most did it in less than 12 missions (i did it in 10)
30 missions and no unlock? that seems really absurd and i really suspect user error - no intention to offend you in any way, but that's how it looks.
I'm well aware off the relog "fix" for random POIs. It makes things more tedious and i'm really miffed by it since it's really not a fix.
And i will say it again: Supercruising instead of relogging is not a Fix for relogging.
And they did not seem to increase the drop rates for the rarer Data to compensate for the so called fix.
That's another confusion.
There is no such thing as a legal mission that gives bounties and notoriety. You get those only if you do illegal stuff.
Missions that ask you to do something illegal are marked as such in an obvious manner - and if you take an illegal mission you should expect bounties and notoriety.
And that happens in Space too, but with the difference that now you apparently get notoriety for murder for mission targets too (it was a really weird thing to murder someone and not get notoriety only because it was the mission target. Murder is murder in both cases)
So keep on the right side of the law if you cannot accept consequences for illegal stuff.
No EDO mission type, except massacre and assassination missions should end up in a blood bath. And if you take those, you should expect bounties and notoriety (*)
*(Unless the target is an Anarchy - if so, all is well
Nope, that seems to be another confusion.
Notoriety and ATR response were introduced to counter the mass murders some cmdr were committing for BGS purposes (killing countless clean ships and police ships to nuke the security level of that specific faction)
So... it works as intended in EDO too... a bit late, but it does work now
As for "There is no such thing as a legal mission that gives bounties and notoriety", you are only half right. If I take a "kill the pirate" or "kill the deserter" assassination mission, and kill the target, even if his friends engage me and they started out clean, I can kill them too and not get a bounty or notoriety, in the ship that is. BUT if I take the exact same mission, with the exact same symbol, and lacking the "Illegal mission tag" and do it the exact same way on foot, I will get bounties and I will become notorious. Same missions, different outcomes when completed. There are other missions that have the illegal tag, like wetwork missions that you do get a bounty, but no notoriety(in the ship). So why are there 2 sets of rules for the same mission type? I fully admit that there are specific legal assassination missions that can generate a small bounty(but no notoriety), specifically the ones that make you scan the settlement comms array to get the target location, typically this leaves you with 400 cr bounty that can be settled at the IF on your way to deliver justice to the pirate.
Finally, I say that crime and punishment adding notoriety was designed to stop griefers and gankers, and you say "No, it was designed to stop griefers and gankers from messing with the BGS" Pretty sure that still counts as griefing and ganking for whatever reason they were doing it. It still has ZERO use in the game. It has not fixed anything, and it has broken far more than it fixed and now it is being applied in a way that makes the game stupid and annoying. Griefers still grief, gankers still gank, and all you have to do to be "clean" is turn yourself in. USELESS. That someone decided to "fix" this, by adding notoriety to EDO when literally everything else is legitimately broken makes one wonder what the hell FDev are thinking.
You can spawn any of your ships with you at the detention center. All you need to do is turn yourself in while in the ship instead of turning yourself in at the kiosk. If you get "critically injured" out of the ship then you are out of luck and you will spawn shipless and need to summon your ship to whatever station you travel to.I take 1 notoriety extra if my ship would spawn with me in the detention centre
and that is a bug since release:
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