Ship for Naval missions

Now I know most will argue that I'm wrong here but I'm not!
Having cleared that up I propose that some Naval/Authority missions come with a ship, a ship owned by them and handed to the player for that mission only, and to be taken back immediately upon landing after completion, trying to squeeze some additional missions and time in the ship would be more than frowned upon, perhaps losing rank... or worse, becoming an enemy of that superpower faction and their allies...

anyone like to expand on this idea?

Would you take a mission under these circumstances?
Would you try to steal the ship from them?
What would you have to prevent misuse of the mission ship?
 
Now I know most will argue that I'm wrong here but I'm not!
Having cleared that up I propose that some Naval/Authority missions come with a ship, a ship owned by them and handed to the player for that mission only, and to be taken back immediately upon landing after completion, trying to squeeze some additional missions and time in the ship would be more than frowned upon, perhaps losing rank... or worse, becoming an enemy of that superpower faction and their allies...

anyone like to expand on this idea?

Would you take a mission under these circumstances?
Would you try to steal the ship from them?
What would you have to prevent misuse of the mission ship?

You are correct that most people will disagree with you as being loaned a ship, even if just for naval missions, as this partially defeats the point of progression in the game.

However it seems strange that the sidewinder is the only loaned ship in the game.

Additionally, it seems like a potential way to balance things in favour of the player if frontier is going to insist on not rank-locking missions or throwing g deadly and elite ranked NPCs into "harmless" ranked missions.

To be honest the mission system is in a very strange and I would even say poor state ever since frontier decided they wouldn't Rank-lock missions anymore. And now missions are either wildy too hard for new players or wildly too easy for seasoned players. Because they had to "balance" missions of all ranks to be the "same" which is something they wouldn't have to do if they made the absolutely arrogant decision of removing rank locking on missions. An employer isnt going to give you a deadly ranked mission if you are "harmless"

And I would even say that your suggestion is a manifestation of the poor "balance" of missions in the game.

Dont get me wrong, im all for new loaner ships. But from an employment aspect its not practical. And I think a loaner ship in this respect might be hurting the game. However I could see loaner ships for small things like cargo deliveries as opposed to combat and you lose the ship at the spaceport.
 
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No. Think of it this way: What are the chances the Coast Guard would lend you one of their Cutters, or even a rowboat, if there was a job they wanted you to do?
Even at Dunkirk private citizens were using their own, personal boats to evacuate the expeditionary force from the beach. The Navy wasn't lending boats that day, either.
 
Depending on if you were a Kickstarter backer or not, you could also get other ships as loaners when starting out. E.g. one of the Kickstarter starting options was to start with a Cobra Mk III, which was tagged as a loaned ship.
 
Now I know most will argue that I'm wrong here but I'm not!
Having cleared that up I propose that some Naval/Authority missions come with a ship, a ship owned by them and handed to the player for that mission only, and to be taken back immediately upon landing after completion, trying to squeeze some additional missions and time in the ship would be more than frowned upon, perhaps losing rank... or worse, becoming an enemy of that superpower faction and their allies...

anyone like to expand on this idea?

Would you take a mission under these circumstances?
Would you try to steal the ship from them?
What would you have to prevent misuse of the mission ship?

Yes, I would take a mission under those circumstances
No, I wouldn't try to steal the ship because that might end your chances of being able to do another mission with them
If you try to use the ship in a negative way or on another mission it would self destruct and you would be liable for the rebuy cost and any profits from misuse would be deleted.
 
Depending on if you were a Kickstarter backer or not, you could also get other ships as loaners when starting out. E.g. one of the Kickstarter starting options was to start with a Cobra Mk III, which was tagged as a loaned ship.

Well that's pretty cool. Had I known there was such a thing as ED when the kickstarter was offered I would have jumped in with both feet.
 
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Well that's pretty cool. Had I known there was such a thing as ED when the kickstarter was offered I would have jumped in with both feet.

However, as interesting as the kickstarter situation is everyone, my point in this thread is in fact about loaner ships,
Azmuth Divarchchron, I can't see where I indicated a progression spoiler, if you mean that you can try before you buy and save money if you don't like it... I guess you can do that in any of the Beta's!
as for my poor balance... I'm not sure where that comes from either, I realise that I didn't delve into specific assignments but, obviously (to me at least) where a ship were to be provided it would be one that was fit for purpose 'though not overly so' and have naval insignia etc, and only be available to one who had a suitable rank and loyalty, and had successfully completed similar missions in their own ship first.

in response to the Normandy landings... yes this is exactly what I meant... It happened ONCE! it was because getting appropriate boats in that number to that location could not be done in the timeframe with any secrecy, so, it's not right and should not be, a Navy made up of rag-tag nobody's in personal battle craft... no, it's not right... (I feel)

As for the coast guard... get a job with them and tell them that you don't need to go on their launch you'll take your own boat!


* being the latest kickstarter post... not personal!
 
in response to the Normandy landings... yes this is exactly what I meant... It happened ONCE! it was because getting appropriate boats in that number to that location could not be done in the timeframe with any secrecy, so, it's not right and should not be, a Navy made up of rag-tag nobody's in personal battle craft... no, it's not right... (I feel)

The Continental Navy of the United States did exactly that in it's early days. When you can't afford the time or money required to do a job you do it with what ever you have and that works in your post. If you can't do a critical Naval mission in your own craft I think it could be in their best interests if they offered up a craft to accomplish it with. Reduced rewards of course. I can't see getting the same rewards for less risk of your own assets.
 
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However, as interesting as the kickstarter situation is everyone, my point in this thread is in fact about loaner ships,
Azmuth Divarchchron, I can't see where I indicated a progression spoiler, if you mean that you can try before you buy and save money if you don't like it... I guess you can do that in any of the Beta's!
as for my poor balance... I'm not sure where that comes from either, I realise that I didn't delve into specific assignments but, obviously (to me at least) where a ship were to be provided it would be one that was fit for purpose 'though not overly so' and have naval insignia etc, and only be available to one who had a suitable rank and loyalty, and had successfully completed similar missions in their own ship first.

in response to the Normandy landings... yes this is exactly what I meant... It happened ONCE! it was because getting appropriate boats in that number to that location could not be done in the timeframe with any secrecy, so, it's not right and should not be, a Navy made up of rag-tag nobody's in personal battle craft... no, it's not right... (I feel)

As for the coast guard... get a job with them and tell them that you don't need to go on their launch you'll take your own boat!


* being the latest kickstarter post... not personal!

I wasnt necessarily saying you were making a progression "spoiler" I was referring to the idea that if a player were able to just get a loaner ship that was several orders of magnitude better than their current one for missions it might be semi-defeating of the player's need to progress into better owned ships.
Dont get me wrong I like the idea of having a loaned ship for a specific task. but it would have to be balanced. and im not sure the current "balance" of the mission mechanics will allow for it at the moment.

However frontier has said they want to impliment the ability to steal ships at some point but its probably far down the road. and i think its probably tied with space legs, which they plan to implement in anywhere from 1-3 years from now.
 
I wasnt necessarily saying you were making a progression "spoiler" I was referring to the idea that if a player were able to just get a loaner ship that was several orders of magnitude better than their current one for missions it might be semi-defeating of the player's need to progress into better owned ships.
Dont get me wrong I like the idea of having a loaned ship for a specific task. but it would have to be balanced. and im not sure the current "balance" of the mission mechanics will allow for it at the moment.

However frontier has said they want to impliment the ability to steal ships at some point but its probably far down the road. and i think its probably tied with space legs, which they plan to implement in anywhere from 1-3 years from now.

Thanks for the clarification, we both misunderstood, 'in my eye' the dude shimmying up in an Anni might get a job to run a small pad landing point of some 'Top secret paperwork' and get a viper to do it... that sort of thing!

Anywho!, funny you posting a 'Legs' reference, in another post I just honked my doubt about major changes including Legs and given how far we are along in the 10 year plan, so your timeframe of 1-3 years intro time would give 2-4 years using them... kinda wierd, such a short life of such a major feature.
 
in response to the Normandy landings... yes this is exactly what I meant... It happened ONCE! it was because getting appropriate boats in that number to that location could not be done in the timeframe with any secrecy, so, it's not right and should not be, a Navy made up of rag-tag nobody's in personal battle craft... no, it's not right... (I feel)

As for the coast guard... get a job with them and tell them that you don't need to go on their launch you'll take your own boat!


* being the latest kickstarter post... not personal!

That only applies to enlisted professionals, not ragtag mercenaries. We are the ragtag nobodies.
 
That only applies to enlisted professionals, not ragtag mercenaries. We are the ragtag nobodies.

Can you get a military rank without being enlisted?
Perhaps in the Elite Universe we're assumed signed up when we take a military job... like when we use Google and we sell our soul along with the souls of all those generations to come!
 
in response to the Normandy landings...

I didn't see any mention of Normandy. At Dunkirk, the Navy simply pressed every boat that was able to cross the channel (including privately owned fishing boats and yachts) into service because at the time, the Royal Navy was spread out all over the world and there weren't enough Navy boats available. Also, small privately owned vessels could reach the beach where the larger Naval vessels could not. If privately owned boats had not taken part in the evacuation, thousands of British troops would have died on the beach.

The Normandy invasion, as far as I know was an entirely military operation.
 
Can you get a military rank without being enlisted?

Yes, there's such a thing as honourary ranks in most modern militaries that are available for civilians that render services to their respective militaries. Do you honestly think that any respectable armed force would ever bestow someone actual authority because they restocked their coffee reserves?
 
Yes, there's such a thing as honourary ranks in most modern militaries that are available for civilians that render services to their respective militaries. Do you honestly think that any respectable armed force would ever bestow someone actual authority because they restocked their coffee reserves?

Dunno, I had always guessed if you were a Colour Sargent or Corporal that it meant something... it does to those guys in green! ho hum
 
I didn't see any mention of Normandy. At Dunkirk, the Navy simply pressed every boat that was able to cross the channel (including privately owned fishing boats and yachts) into service because at the time, the Royal Navy was spread out all over the world and there weren't enough Navy boats available. Also, small privately owned vessels could reach the beach where the larger Naval vessels could not. If privately owned boats had not taken part in the evacuation, thousands of British troops would have died on the beach.

The Normandy invasion, as far as I know was an entirely military operation.

My mix, no disrespect to those involved in either of those events
 
Yes, there's such a thing as honourary ranks in most modern militaries that are available for civilians that render services to their respective militaries. Do you honestly think that any respectable armed force would ever bestow someone actual authority because they restocked their coffee reserves?

Chaplin's are always Captains
 
I think it would made sense for naval missions to offer the use of a loaned ship. Make it so that it is the next ship that is in line to be unlocked, in this way, you get to "try" the ship out.

I would expect all the naval rankings to be made by naval missions instead of today. And hopefully we would have different kind of missions to choose from that would offer missions to be carried out from the 3 main activities
* Exploration
* Combat
* Trading

And also let those missions make use of our new permits that we have gained as well.

Then fill our Codex with stuff as we progress through the naval ranks. So we can get the story behind things, etc. for optional listening/reading.
 
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