Should I get a T7.

Arnak · Jul 30, 2015

Hi,

I have an Asp but am considering getting a T7 to speed up gaining credits towards an Anaconda or similar but what concerns me is it's ability to run from interceptions.:S

I play solo but also in Power Play so I do get a fair number of interceptions, so would I be too much at risk in a T9.:S

Thanks for any advice you can give me.

deathmagnet · Jul 30, 2015

No...if you play open and PP you will be destroyed often. Weak ship. A Clipper is much better. I know that means that you have to grind Empire rep but it will be totally worth it. That is the one thing I regret. Not taking the time to get the Clipper instead of the T7. You will not regret it. Which I don't know if the same could be said if you go with the T7.

Io_Sys · Jul 30, 2015

T7 can hold a nice amount of bulk cargo, but I'd still take the Asp.
Better smuggler, better defensive complement and it can still carry a decent sized cargo.
Your next port of call should be either the Clipper or Python.

T9 shouldn't be so bad, you can actually defend yourself in that from what I've seen.
Edit: Uh, against NPCs. I wouldn't take a type 9 full of cargo into open unless you're really into masochism.

Brujah · Jul 30, 2015

I'd try to get the Clipper whilst you can still get it at Serf (assuming that's still ongoing - was last time I checked).

It is superior to the T7 in every way and not notably more expensive in trading configuration.

If you have to grind Imperial Rep up to Baron again, then the T7 will be fine. Just make sure and pump up its shields with Boosters and, if you're interdicted by anything that can mass-lock you (Vultures and above), just jump out of the system. You ought to survive long enough to do that.

deathmagnet · Jul 30, 2015

Io_Sys said:
T7 can hold a nice amount of bulk cargo, but I'd still take the Asp.
Better smuggler, better defensive complement and it can still carry a decent sized cargo.
Your next port of call should be either the Clipper or Python.

T9 shouldn't be so bad, you can actually defend yourself in that from what I've seen.
Edit: Uh, against NPCs. I wouldn't take a type 9 full of cargo into open unless you're really into masochism.

I must have been into masochism...lol

Using the Asp to get to Python will be a long haul.

Taking the time to get the Clipper will reduce your time to Python by at least half if not more. You are talking about 100ish tonnes in the Asp to 240 tonnes with the Clipper.

CMDR Hagglebeard · Jul 30, 2015

Yeah, sure, get a T7. It's not fun to fly, but when you get a T9, that thing is sweeet. I'll PM you a very high profit route. It's half-smuggling, however.

Swifty · Jul 30, 2015

I bought one and sold it shortly after. It's cargo capacity is not big enough to compensate it's vulnerability and the fact you can't land at outposts. I think if you could land at outposts it'd be viable but as it stands it's easier to find a profitable trade route in your Asp and hence probably quicker to make money.

My advice, take your shields and weapons of your Asp, a rate thrusters and distributor, stick on heat sinks and just silent run boost your way from trouble. Might not work against skilled players in strong ships or wings but you'd stand a better chance than in the T7.

Or just buy a clipper

Tacyon · Jul 30, 2015

A fitting that will serve you well.

D4 shield for docking mishaps and the occasional collision with pulse laser.
No weapons .. don't need need em, you're a runner not a fighter ..
A5 FDD for max jump range ... 17lr
A3 power distributer ... you can boost, boost, boost your way to freedom. Alternate chaff at ~20 second to mitigate inbound. shields will hold.
A3 Power plant .. its all you need and saves 2.5T of weight.
Dx for everything else to further save weight.

This was fine till I was able to get a python for its 284 ton cargo hold.

Arnak · Jul 31, 2015

Hi,

Thanks very much for the advice.

One thing that confuses me is how you get the Clipper up to a decent cargo capacity, I can only get it to 168T.:S

My Asp is well able to hold it's own against most small to medium ships and can run away very quickly if I get into trouble.

The T7 does nearly double my Asp's 112T cargo hold to 212T which is why I was thinking of going down that route.

Ginrikuzuma · Jul 31, 2015

Arnak said:
I should get a T7.

FTFY
Small typo you had putting Should before I

jadefriendly · Jul 31, 2015

I got a T-7
it's an awful ship
sold mine fairly swidtly
get a Clipper instead
job done

Kastor · Jul 31, 2015

Arnak said:
Hi,

Thanks very much for the advice.

One thing that confuses me is how you get the Clipper up to a decent cargo capacity, I can only get it to 168T.:S

My Asp is well able to hold it's own against most small to medium ships and can run away very quickly if I get into trouble.

The T7 does nearly double my Asp's 112T cargo hold to 212T which is why I was thinking of going down that route.

Run a downgraded shield. then the clipper beats the T7

Ginrikuzuma · Jul 31, 2015

what you two failed to mention about the clipper is you also need rank with the empire (which sure at the moment you only need serf at least) and unless you already have the rank its grindy and boring if you aren't willing to dedicate the time

Ginrikuzuma · Jul 31, 2015

dc83 said:
Open, Mobius or Solo, the T7 is a stop that you do not want to make on your way up the ship lists. Slow speed makes it a poorer trader than its cargo hold size would indicate; it is clumsy and frustrating to fly. The Imperial Clipper is very fast, a joy to fly, and can actually hold a small amount more cargo. If you want your Clipper to fight, you'll spend lots more, but a trade rig doesn't cost much extra. Here's a loadout for a starting trading Clipper:

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=703,,2-A0A07_8SA08S6k,0Bk0AA0720727Pc4zM5Bk5Bk

Naturally since it has weapon hardpoints you'll want to consider mounting some; in fact, a good set of weapons (large gim. burst x2, med. gim. cannon x2) should cost only another million. So skip the T7, rank up in the Empire, and go straight to the Clipper. Even if you don't have enough to buy the loadout I just posted, you can still buy a basic Clipper, upgrade the FSD, and trade your way up for the other accessories.

again assuming he has the imperial rank not everyone is going to want to bother getting baron (at least serf at the moment for who knows how long)

sure with the rank clipper>t7 but to completely dismiss the T7 is bad

The T7 is just as fast (top speed) and maneuverable as the anaconda (although the T7 has a better boost speed) if you want you can make the argument to skip the T9 for a trade conda you can since the T9 IS very slow but dismissing the the T7 due to its speed is like dismissing the conda because its only 50 m/s faster at the expense of it being twice as expensive.

If OP has the imperial rank go for it get a clipper if OP doesn't have the rank and can't be bothered getting serf (for now baron eventually when the promotion expires) then grab a T7 regardless its a stepping stone of a ship in respect to trading.

edit: double-clicked post deleted the copy

rscsmith · Jul 31, 2015

If you do decide to go the Clipper route, there's a good thread here on trading in it:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=170494

I had a T7 for quite some time. I've just bought a Clipper, mostly for the slightly enhanced cargo, and the speed (I'm a runner, not a fighter...). I'm very happy with the Clipper, and it only took a couple of hours to grind the rank in Empire whilst the Serf special offer is on. Check out this post on ranking quickly:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=164309

I sat at Tamar doing the ranking missions. I bought a Viper whilst there to do the actual ranking mission. You might prefer to grab a Cobra on the way there. The ranking missions were smuggling to an outpost, so I had to make sure I wasn't scanned, or had the legs to get away if I was. Tamar doesn't have a lot of options for outfitting. There were no heat sinks, but chaff was available so I was chaffing as I left the station to try to avoid being scanned.

I agree with those above. The T7 is a good ship and properly configured (216 cargo) and on the correct route, you can clear 400-500k credits in each round trip. It shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. If you can't be bothered to rank for the Clipper, get a T7. Mine took a pounding from NPCs a few times, but always saw me through. I was wasted by two CMDRs (simultaneously) when I foolishly dabbled in Power Play, but I learned that lesson a quickly got back to trading. I always play in Open.

Cheers, Rob.

RG-870 · Jul 31, 2015

dc83 said:
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=703,,2-A0A07_8SA08S6k,0Bk0AA0720727Pc4zM5Bk5Bk

I will never understand why people fly around in trading ships / explorers with incredibly hot running, heavy, crappy D-rated power plants instead of downsizing them.
This is how I would equip a Clipper for trading. Depending on the route I would kick out the fuel scoop (for another cargo rack) or replace it with an A4 one for longer journeys. Scooping time is lost money.
I had a T7 for few days and hated it. It was too hot, too slow and except from the good yaw rate it flew like a brick (only the T9 is worse, that one flies like a mountain). As soon as I had the money I upgraded to a Clipper and had a lot of fun with that beauty for quite some weeks before I took the next step to the Python (pre-nerf, 3 days of fun before they nerfed the hell out of that thing).

DNYI · Jul 31, 2015

I would say you are safer in either a Python or an Imperial Clipper. Both will hold at least the same amount of cargo and still be able to run with shields. The Python also uses a medium landing pad so it is able to dock with both stations and outposts, whereas the T7 and Imperial Clipper can only dock at stations. The ability to dock at outposts with a Python will allow you to have more potential places to find a good trading route.

Scudmungus · Jul 31, 2015

De T7 makin mi de mon mi be today.

askavir · Jul 31, 2015

Arnak said:
Hi,

Thanks very much for the advice.

One thing that confuses me is how you get the Clipper up to a decent cargo capacity, I can only get it to 168T.:S

If you put maximum size cargo racks in all slots:

With stock size 6 shield 184 tons.
Downgraded size 4 shield 232 tons.
No shield 242 tons.

Gerrard Adkinson · Jul 31, 2015

Keep the ASP and do not waste your time with T7 or Boeing.. pardon Clipper. Both the clipper and the T7 will not increase your profits over a well fitted ASP.

ASP with shields can have 96 cargo, land at outposts and jump 25 ly+ all in the same package. This allows you to make a 10 min run with 400k profit. Even if the Clipper might turn out slightly better, the time you would waste to grind the rank + the money for it are not worth it. Better use your ASP well and instead of buying a 30+m Clipper and grinding the rank for it use the 5-10 hours to get 20-30 mil with the ASP and just buy a Python which is the best trading ship in the game in my opinion. (investment to profit ratio, mobility, defense, armor, speed, cargo, jump, easier docking)

Honestly... why would you Imperial fanboys advise him towards getting a clipper over a T7? What are the benefits really? You say it is more worth because of mobility and cargo? Like 216(t7) vs 184(clipper) cargo is worth grinding REP missions for a couple of hours? For what? A downgrade? Mobility? You are not going to dogfight with it. Heck you might even use a docking computer to dock it so the time flying it is minimal and the docking computer removes the benefit of mobility...

Why? Why would you trade in that jumbo-jet?

Why not get a Federal dropship then

It can even land on outposts it has a durable and rigid hull and can even be run without shields + 168 cargo! NO! WRONG!

Use your ASP, don't loose your time and cash for anything else to gain 10-20% more profit.... Once you get to Python you will use the same route as your ASP to go to outposts and almost triple your Credits per hour.