Should I get a T7.

[Brujah]

Keep the ASP and do not waste your time with T7 or Boeing.. pardon Clipper. Both the clipper and the T7 will not increase your profits over a well fitted ASP.

ASP with shields can have 96 cargo, land at outposts and jump 25 ly+ all in the same package. This allows you to make a 10 min run with 400k profit. Even if the Clipper might turn out slightly better, the time you would waste to grind the rank + the money for it are not worth it. Better use your ASP well and instead of buying a 30+m Clipper and grinding the rank for it use the 5-10 hours to get 20-30 mil with the ASP and just buy a Python which is the best trading ship in the game in my opinion. (investment to profit ratio, mobility, defense, armor, speed, cargo, jump, easier docking)

Honestly... why would you Imperial fanboys advise him towards getting a clipper over a T7? What are the benefits really? You say it is more worth because of mobility and cargo? Like 216(t7) vs 184(clipper) cargo is worth grinding REP missions for a couple of hours? For what? A downgrade? Mobility? You are not going to dogfight with it. Heck you might even use a docking computer to dock it so the time flying it is minimal and the docking computer removes the benefit of mobility...

Why? Why would you trade in that jumbo-jet?

Why not get a Federal dropship then It can even land on outposts it has a durable and rigid hull and can even be run without shields + 168 cargo! NO! WRONG!

Use your ASP, don't loose your time and cash for anything else to gain 10-20% more profit.... Once you get to Python you will use the same route as your ASP to go to outposts and almost triple your Credits per hour.

This is utter nonsense. It doesn't take long to jump an extra system (even two), no more than maybe 2 minutes to your round-trip time. During that round-trip you've hauled an extra 200 tonnes of goods, which should net you around 200,000 Credits more. A fully loaded Asp is not notably more manoeuvrable than a fully loaded T7, so long as you use the T7's fantastic yaw rate to its fullest, so you're not saving more than a few seconds during docking (most of which is offset by the relative difficulty of actually landing the Asp).

 

[sbdags]

I love my T7 - best ship in the game

 

[Gerrard Adkinson]

Utter nonsense? 200k more. Okay. 200k Is a one-way trip to an outpost with an ASP and it takes 4-5 minutes.
ASP makes 2.2-2.4m per hour gold<-> slaves to outpost
T7 wastes 3 minutes more for a round trip to make extra 200k.
That's within the 10-20% more profit that I mentioned. There you go utter nonsense. Show me a T7 route that makes MUCH more than 2.2-2.4m credits per hour so that it's worth an extra jump and the tripple credits investment to buy and fit.

Let me calculate it. Best case scenario you are running a 216t T7 round trip in 12 minutes for 2400 profit/ton. That's roughly 500k credits per 12 minutes. 60 minutes = 2.5m credits BEST CASE SCENARIO. 2.3-2.5m/h. Utter nonsense, eh? GREAT DIFFERENCE! Definitely worth it the extra bother and investment.... Not.. I personally have never gone beyond 2m/h in a T7. Maybe I was doing it wrong. But realistically ... 2.5m is not achievable easily.

Same for the Clipper.

By the way I can't notice a "relative difficulty" in landing my fully loaded ASP. As you said - it's relative. Getting used to the ASP and your controls.

 

[Vandaahl]

what you two failed to mention about the clipper is you also need rank with the empire (which sure at the moment you only need serf at least) and unless you already have the rank its grindy and boring if you aren't willing to dedicate the time

True, and to do that you also have the time to cough up the xtra 4 grand, so its a win win.

 

[Brujah]

Utter nonsense? 200k more. Okay. 200k Is a one-way trip to an outpost with an ASP and it takes 4-5 minutes.
ASP makes 2.2-2.4m per hour gold<-> slaves to outpost
T7 wastes 3 minutes more for a round trip to make extra 200k.
That's within the 10-20% more profit that I mentioned. There you go utter nonsense. Show me a T7 route that makes MUCH more than 2.2-2.4m credits per hour so that it's worth an extra jump and the tripple credits investment to buy and fit.

Let me calculate it. Best case scenario you are running a 216t T7 round trip in 12 minutes for 2400 profit/ton. That's roughly 500k credits per 12 minutes. 60 minutes = 2.5m credits BEST CASE SCENARIO. 2.3-2.5m/h. Utter nonsense, eh? GREAT DIFFERENCE! Definitely worth it the extra bother and investment.... Not.. I personally have never gone beyond 2m/h in a T7. Maybe I was doing it wrong. But realistically ... 2.5m is not achievable easily.

By the way I can't notice a "relative difficulty" in landing my fully loaded ASP. As you said - it's relative. Getting used to the ASP and your controls.

The T7 can be grabbed by the docking magnet when you're still about 200m above it, the Asp needs to be a lot closer.

Now tell me, why do you have to trade Slaves to an Outpost? You don't. If you can get a good run with slaves, you can earn around 2-2.5k/tonne - That's 540k Cr profit per trip one way. If you get even 1k Cr back then you're earning hugely more than 2.5M Credits per hour.

I don't even trade in slaves and I can get more than 2.5M Credits per hour in my T7. You seem to be under the impression you have every aspect of this game locked down and I not-so-humbly suggest that you do not.

 

[Gerrard Adkinson]

Edit: You know what? Whatever. If you are happy with some ship - fly it! It's up to preference. It's just insulting to say that I am speaking "utter nonsense" and that "I seem to be under the impression that I have every aspect of this game locked down" when I haven't claimed that.

You can insult me and my opinion all you want I will not do the same to you.

 

[Brujah]

Edit: You know what? Whatever. If you are happy with some ship - fly it! It's up to preference. It's just insulting to say that I am speaking "utter nonsense" and that "I seem to be under the impression that I have every aspect of this game locked down" when I haven't claimed that.

You can insult me and my opinion all you want I will not do the same to you.

I'm not normally up this early in the morning, so I'm probably just being grumpy and inadvertently taking it out on the faceless internet. My apologies, I'm normally a bit more gracious than that.

If you want good trade routes with the bigger ships, Archon Delaine's territory is excellent, as slaves are legal there.

You can normally get a route which requires only one jump, has a station at both ends and you can do your gold <-> slaves for around 3.6k/tonne profit on a 10-15 minute round-trip depending on how much sightseeing or interdiction you experience.

In a T7 that works out to somewhere between 3 and 4.5 Million Credits per hour.

 

[Arnak]

T7?

Hi,

Once again thanks very much for the helpful replies.

I admit I hadn't thought of the Python, that is a good option but a little expensive when kitted out for max cargo.

I think that I will go for the T7 at least for a short time just to get the credits up as quickly as possible as it is the cheapest option with the credits I have and selling the Asp.

Unfortunately as I am with Hudson in PP I can't use slaves as a product so I will stick with Palladium and other profits which hopefully will gain a lot more credits per hour.

That is as soon as I get my pc back as it is in the shop for repairs and has been for a week now.

At least it is still under warranty but should not have failed within 6 months.

So far they have swapped the case, power supply, motherboard and are now waiting for a new cpu......

Hopefully I'll get it back today or tomorrow... It's a real pain as I had reached 1300 merits and had plenty of time from Monday to Wednesday to get to the next rank at 1500 merits and gain 5 mill per week but the pc went down on Monday so that is a week lost at least.

I have decided that computers are like people, they are great when they behave properly but when they don't.....

 

[Brujah]

Technically there's nothing stopping you from trading slaves so long as you can avoid the scans.

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Except maybe your conscience.

 

[Alex Futura]

T7 is part of natural progression. Mind you, it won't last very long

 

[Richard Voorhees]

I tried a T7. Lasted an hour with it. Sold it and hopped back into my stored Vulture.

No likee.

 

[Lateralus]

T7's may suck, but they're the quickest route to the high-ticket ships.

I remember doing pre-1.3 open CG's in them; got destroyed by players 3 times, pirated about 6 times...you are a total sitting duck. It got me to the Python eventually though.

 

[askavir]

The T7 is the cheapest way to start on the big haul path.

Its cheaper than the Clipper, and way cheaper than the Clipper to outfit it to maximum trading capability (max cargo slots + best FSD). When you reach 30M, you should swap it for the Clipper though, same cargo capacity, but way safer than the T7. It also cuts by more than half the time to dock, and escape station mass lock.