Should the Fuel Rats be in the Bubble 2.0 ?

Do you want Rats in Bubble 2.0 ?


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Should The Fuel Rats Mischief Minor Faction be found in the Bubble 2.0 ?

Hello everyone, [heart]
I am Kerenn " Two Jumps" Vatueil, a Fuel Rat P.R.O. (Press Relations Official). [redface]

We recently received an email concerning Jaques Station and the surrounding space, which I'm copying here :

"I wanted to get in touch with you to talk about Jaques and the population of the second bubble.
Many Commanders have been taking part in the development of this bubble roughly 20,000 light years from our current human space. The response has been fantastic and the first planetary port is now in. Soon we will see a small number of NPC minor factions develop as the bubble begins to be colonised and we’re asking you, our loyal player groups, to come and join in!
As groups, you have grown and developed your factions over the last year + and now you can have the chance to create a second, mirrored faction and planetary port set up in the new bubble.
Here’s what we’re considering…
Every month player groups would nominate themselves to try and build a branch of their faction near Jaques. Each month we will hold a public vote and the groups with the most votes will be selected to get complete a CG. If their groups completes the CG then they will have built a faction near Jaques.
Then the fun really starts. As with all factions the background sim changes. If your faction was to retreat fully, the final place it will be retreated to will be Jaques station itself. This means that any faction retreated all the way back to Jaques would be removed and effectively removed from the new bubble. Consider this a new space, somewhere that powers haven’t taken dominance over yet and you can join and become a part of the story, form meaningful alliances and gain and hold your own territory.
Logistically, we would probably start off with a larger number of groups in the first month try the CG and then each month we would get a small number of groups from the votes to do the CG and attempt to head out there.
All factions created after a successful CG will be added into a location and with the base type and economy type being determined by Frontier and will be a completely new faction in the second bubble. This to allow the process to be manageable.
What we would like is your feedback. We want to know how many groups would be interested in taking part and having their own CG to get a faction out in the second bubble.
All thoughts welcome. Please do reply back and let us know your thoughts and if you and your band of space brothers would be interested in taking on new frontiers.
"

We've been discussing this internally but a consensus couldn't be reached.
On the one hand, a Forward Base of Operations could prove to be invaluable to our work.
On the other hand, we Fuel Rats don't want to fight over Turf and as such some of us fear we might make some enemies if we were to, say, expand somewhere around Jaques. So there's that.

Which is why I've gathered you here today. I want to hear what the community at large has to say about it. Do you want us to open a Jaques Chapter ?

Here are a few of the things we've considered :
  • Pros :
    • We could have Jaques Based Long Range Rescuers. Being closer to the center of the Galaxy, even if off by a margin, means we're theoretically closer to everything (and hopefully everyone) inside.
    • We could put our name on something, because we're shallow like that. [praise]
    • We get a shiny new base to hide Snickers in. :p
  • Cons :
    • BGS seems to be fierce up there, and we don't have the manpower to maintain a faction there. Worst case scenario is we're wiped out of the place and come back to today's operating standards. But then, what would have been the point of going there in the first place ?
    • We don't want to take someone else's spot in the lottery.
    • We don't want to cause any jealousy or envy.
    • We don't want people to think we've been granted that opportunity because we're Frontiers Favourite or something. ( We are, we just don't say so publicly ;) ) On that note, this email has been sent to many player groups already, it's not Fuel Rats Specific.

Some stuff that came up in the discussion and needs to be cleared if you're starting from the beginning :
  • We're not going there to do BGS, lose neutrality or take sides. We're going there to put our name on a fancy rock. Because we're shallow like that. :D
  • The Fuel Rats are already in every corner of the Galaxy. [praise]
  • We'll continue doing what we do and offering our services to anyone, anywhere, anywhen, anyway.
  • Whatever the outcome of this poll and whatever happens in the game or outside of it, we remain. We remain Independent, Anarchic, Cooperative, Loyal to no one and everyone...
  • Rest assured the Fuel Rats are a very professionnal bunch and are absolutely never in the whole ever distracted by anyth... Is that a Snicker out of your rear pocket ?
 
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Definitely Yes from my side :)

In the worst case we'll lose the minor faction over there and still get a new outpost, in the best case we get an outpost a bit further away from everyone else :D
 

On the other hand, we Fuel Rats don't want to fight over Turf …

Here are a few of the things we've considered :
  • Pros :
    • We could have Jaques Based Long Range Rescuers. Being closer to the center of the Galaxy, even if off by a margin, means we're theoretically closer to everything (and hopefully everyone) inside.
    • We get a shiny new base to hide Snickers in.
  • Cons :
    • BGS seems to be fierce up there, and we don't have the manpower to maintain a faction there. Worst case scenario is we're wiped out of the place and come back to today's operating standards. But then, what would have been the point of going there in the first place ?
    • We don't want to take someone else's spot in the lottery.
    • We don't want to cause any jealousy or envy.
    • We don't want people to think we've been granted that opportunity because we're Frontiers Favourite or something. ( We are, we just don't say so publicly ;) ) On that note, this email has been sent to many player groups already, it's not Fuel Rats Specific.


No.
Why?
Because:
You can use Jaques as long range rescue base.
You can store your candies at Jaques.

You don't have to take part in the BGS, it only distracts from bringing fuel to those in need.
There are more important things than BGS and minor factions and diplomacy and player-group-meta-gaming. Leave that to those without a vision and without a mission. ;)

But what ever you do, keep up the great work you guys and gals are doing. o7
 
No.

Fuel Rats' strict neutrality is great. Getting a minor faction anywhere will draw you into conflict with other player groups, tempt you away from strict neutrality, and look like you've moved away from strict neutrality. At the very least, it will inevitably lead to Fuel Rats needing to get involved in diplomatic discussions with some other group that the BGS puts you into conflict with.

We Have Fuel. You Don't. Any Questions?

Adding "Oh, and we have a faction, who wants to run some missions for it and then fight in a combat zone for it?" just doesn't seem good at all...

Disclaimer: I love the Fuel Rats, but I'm not a Fuel Rat myself and have never even used Fuel Rat services.
 
We kind of don't. Fuel comes First. Always. Thanks for your input ;)

Yeah it's why our minor faction fluctuates between doing ok and, "who?" :p


Personally for me I don't mind either way. To be honest having Jaques is kinda enough for me as I can refuel and outfit. Assuming other stations come in I expect outfitting choices to improve regardless of who owns them.
Yes it'd be nice, I don't think it's vital and I do believe given other groups have a very large userbase and interest we would be rather quickly pushed out. We may have popular support in general but when it comes to the BGS it would appear most people have their own preferences.
I myself am guilty of selling 250mil of exploration data to Lembava to get an extra 500mil. Felt a bit guilty but I have 2 shiny new Imp Clippers to forget that pain. Then I have some stuff to do for the Engineers, and remaining permit systems etc. Simply put I don't have the time in the day to rescue people, do my own thing and support the BGS and my activities progress in that order. Therefore from a personal perspective I voted no. But I can understand why some people want it.

I'd vote for it in the poll if it happens but I wouldn't be able to support it.

No.

Fuel Rats' strict neutrality is great. Getting a minor faction anywhere will draw you into conflict with other player groups, tempt you away from strict neutrality, and look like you've moved away from strict neutrality. At the very least, it will inevitably lead to Fuel Rats needing to get involved in diplomatic discussions with some other group that the BGS puts you into conflict with.

Adding "Oh, and we have a faction, who wants to run some missions for it and then fight in a combat zone for it?" just doesn't seem good at all...

Disclaimer: I love the Fuel Rats, but I'm not a Fuel Rat myself and have never even used Fuel Rat services.

We already have a minor faction FYI (Fuelum). We've remained pretty neutral and still refuel anyone and everyone.
Children of Raxxla = great
Random newbie = fantastic
SDC member = Awesome
All of the fuel is still delivered, no sides are taken. I can confirm that first hand from this last week alone and no I will not name fingers or point names :D We have fuel you don't, any questions. That whole spiel. It's true.
Fuel Rat neutrality is still very much a thing even after having had a minor faction.

Generally if I remember correctly our faction succumbed to other player groups despite an initial very positive expansion. (Last I looked anyway, I could be very wrong on that).
 
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From a strictly day-to-day perspective, my vote is no. Like you said, we don't really do anything with the BGS and the competition out there is going to be pretty fierce. I think, we leave the slot for someone else who can and will take advantage of the BGS out there.

On the other hand, we have a Galnet article that said we were making plans for an outpost out there. So from a lore perspective it makes sense, unless for some lore reason we change our minds. Maybe something like with an influx of new Commanders to the Pilot's Federation, rescues have increased which requires our resources to be directed to more training in the bubble.
 
Having never used you guys I can only comment as a bystander. I think it would be great to have you guys up there. If the BGS bothers you, i'm sure there are plenty of folks on these forums who are up at Jaques who would lend a hand getting a foothold?

Regardless of what you choose, i salute you o7
 
No.
Why?
Because:
You can use Jaques as long range rescue base.
You can store your candies at Jaques.

You don't have to take part in the BGS, it only distracts from bringing fuel to those in need.
There are more important things than BGS and minor factions and diplomacy and player-group-meta-gaming. Leave that to those without a vision and without a mission. ;)

But what ever you do, keep up the great work you guys and gals are doing. o7

Basically this.
I will add tho that having your own faction in the second bubble will force you to defend from others(or even attack others), which will make fuel rats not neutral.
 
I vote yes, because you rats should be able to do BGS stuff if you want to, or avoid it if you want to, or some mix in between. I don't think it makes you non-neutral either, provided you don't pursue expansion aggressively. Being popular isn't the same as taking a side, and if people choose to take your faction's missions rather than some other factions missions that isn't a neutrality issue. Things get hairy when the BGS pushes you into expansion in another station but if you act on it in the new location in a coordinated way, it's not likely to go far.

I'd be happy to run some missions in support of the rats for the good work you've done.
 
I vote yes, because you rats should be able to do BGS stuff if you want to, or avoid it if you want to, or some mix in between. I don't think it makes you non-neutral either, provided you don't pursue expansion aggressively. Being popular isn't the same as taking a side, and if people choose to take your faction's missions rather than some other factions missions that isn't a neutrality issue. Things get hairy when the BGS pushes you into expansion in another station but if you act on it in the new location in a coordinated way, it's not likely to go far.

I'd be happy to run some missions in support of the rats for the good work you've done.

Well to do BGS they need to aggressively attack other factions. This is not a neutral act

I think they can just have "embassies" in other factions in the colonia. Lore-vise this is great.
 
Being there and having a presence there are two different things to me.

Having a few Rats there all the time makes sense. Having a minor faction and taking that spot away from a more serious BGS working faction, doesn't.

So I guess I am saying no.

On that note tho it is really great to see so much positive replies about the Mischief.

:cool:
 
You serious? You were refueling an SDC member?
I mean I'm not surprised you did. I'm surprised there would be an SDC member strong enough to withstand the irony of having to ask for your help. [haha]

Yes it is true (again no names or indications of who unless they wish to name themselves, we don't fuel and tell :D). There were a few nervous people in the background chat but it happens. Were all humans however demonised and everyone needs fuel and snickers.
Either way it went more or less like a standard rescue and things proceeded as normal.

In any case I've been with the fuel rats a fair while, not the longest, not the most active but I've seen my fair share of well known players, rescued a few myself that I recognised from forums or twitch streams, mostly new players where it's fun to help teach them a few basics and point them in the right direction. I still have a few that ping me and I have been known to wing up and go flying together sometimes. The odd one is interesting though, a player with several thousand hours in, PvP/PvP videos galore or ones that are well known from player groups..
As one that has named himself there was the one who organised the flying circus over Beagle point. Wasn't me that got the rescue but I was flying with him a week or two later at Beagle so it sticks in my memory a bit :) Also a rescue at Beagle point.
But I'm getting off topic, yeah, even the best players mess up sometimes. I've been there several times, I actually burned a few 100% FSD boosts to "rescue myself" on at least 2 occasions.
 
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