Shup's weights & Materials

Good day, everyone, i have one question.
First, Asp Explorer dimension 51*57*20 & weight 280 tonn:

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Volume Asp is 51*57*20 = 58000 m3.
This house have dimensin is 10x16X70 m. Weight 7500 tonn. Volume 11200 m3

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Density of reinforced concrete is near 2500 kg/m3
Density of aluminium is 2698 kg/m3.
I understand, that ASP is not empty inside. There are compartments, bulkheads and equipment. With a volume ASP of 4 times the building, it weighs 25 times less! As well? What materials are used? Any guesses?
 
Good day, everyone, i have one question.
First, Asp Explorer dimension 51*57*20 & weight 280 tonn:

https://i.gyazo.com/7d14785abfb499c437a0241c28f5a32f.png

Volume Asp is 51*57*20 = 58000 m3.
This house have dimensin is 10x16X70 m. Weight 7500 tonn. Volume 11200 m3

http://www.realtyryazan.ru/artworks/hruschevka2.jpg

Density of reinforced concrete is near 2500 kg/m3
Density of aluminium is 2698 kg/m3.
I understand, that ASP is not empty inside. There are compartments, bulkheads and equipment. With a volume ASP of 4 times the building, it weighs 25 times less! As well? What materials are used? Any guesses?
A valid question, even if your volume estimate for the Asp is wrong by a factor of about 3.
 
Carbon Fibre 1950Kg/M3. Maybe a new material in 1000 Years could be as low as 1300Kg/M3 at a push...
Also I don't think volume is a good way to measure it since it's probably 90% empty and walls are probably less than 1cm thick based on modern aircraft, what you really need is surface area

If we take the dimensions and assume its a box (very rough estimate):
L: 57
W: 51
H: 20

We need to work out all 6 sides.
Top & Bottom = 57x51 = 2907m2 each
Front & Back = 51x20 = 1020m2 each
Sides = 57x20 = 1140m2 each

So overall surface area is very very roughly = (2907+1020+1140)x2 = 10,134m2

Now if we assume the surfaces are quite thin, say 0.01m (1cm) thick we get 101m3 of material which equals a mass of 196,950Kg if using carbon fibre. That equals 196 metric tons, as before this is an overestimate so if you got an exact figure it would probably come closer to 180 or less. Not sure on internals but its not far off with carbon fibre. Use a new Elite universe material and you can easily create the walls and internals with that weight.
 
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Carbon Fibre 1950Kg/M3. Maybe a new material in 1000 Years could be as low as 1300Kg/M3 at a push...
Also I don't think volume is a good way to measure it since it's probably 90% empty and walls are probably less than 1cm thick based on modern aircraft, what you really need is surface area
Good answer, thanks. But i think is armor & other materials is interier is not carbon. When you shoot to another ship you hear "metallic sound" ^) And even with your calculations, if we assume that the ASP is not empty inside, like a balloon, it should weigh more. And given the armor that is not all the same hope centimeter - numbers about 3,000 tonnes for this ship would have been more correct. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_The_Sullivans_(DDG-68) has weight 9000 tonn and half volume of ASP.
 
I like the cut of Alex's jib.

Now let's do the same exercise for the Federal Dropship and I bet we'll discover it's made in Scotland from Girders.
 
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But i think is armor & other materials is interier is not carbon.

They're duralium. And I don't mean that early 20th century airship alloy. This is 31st century duralium. It's like carbon fibre on helium. Proper space elevator stuff...
 
Good answer, thanks. But i think is armor & other materials is interier is not carbon. When you shoot to another ship you hear "metallic sound" ^) And even with your calculations, if we assume that the ASP is not empty inside, like a balloon, it should weigh more. And given the armor that is not all the same hope centimeter - numbers about 3,000 tonnes for this ship would have been more correct. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_The_Sullivans_(DDG-68) has weight 9000 tonn and half volume of ASP.

Don't think navy ships are a good comparison really since they are built more like tanks than spaceships. The navy armour plating can be very very thick and heavy whereas air force armour is tiny in comparison, the only heavy armour in the air is the A10. (And the A10 only has 13-38mm or 0.013-0.038m).
Using this the Asp is probably a bit (1.5-2x) bigger than a B747-100 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4bEQlVvUvI). The B747-100 weighs 81,600kg or 81 metric tons. And that's with todays materials not some new un-obtanium from 3000 years in the future :)

I do agree though that you look at it and think: "No way, it has to be heavier than that." but I honestly believe its possible.

Edit: Just checked and in WW2 the naval vessels adopted an "All or nothing approach" that isn't really to do with what we are discussing but it states that the SMS Baden with medium armour had 18cm plating which is 0.18m or more than 10x the armour of the A10 aircraft.
 
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Play-doh.

280T is the empty hull mass. Once you put equipment and cargo in it, mass nearly doubles at 500T.

They are probably using titanium and space magick alloys or composite materials reinforced with carbon nanoweave fibers type stufs. Or Vibranium alloy like Cap's shield.

It's sci-fi so anything goes.
 
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This is 31st century duralium.
Alloys consist of their constituent metals. In duralium aluminum has the bulk and density does not change any of the 1,000 years or 1,000,000 for I do not mind when the gameplay to close their eyes to other things. If you are using metal alloys - that the ships should weigh more. At least 3-4 times. Anyway, there's inside the equipment, furnishings and more. It is impossible to do everything from carbon. And if it's very light alloys with the strength of steel and the weight like a feather - excellent, just told to report it :)
P.S. Alex Brentall convinced me that anything is possible! Thanks!
 
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Handwavium is extremely strong and light...

And can even vary from ship to ship.
 
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How about an alloy 'foam'? As we know, honey comb structures are lighter and (if designed and made properly) stronger than equivalent solid structures. They also are better at absorbing impacts (which is why the Space Shuttle had a honey comb skin design, IIRC), as an object impacting at high speed has space to break up in, and cannot transfer the impact shock as well.

I do know that the turbine blades in jet engines are grown as a single crystal (per blade), as this is far stronger than normal production. I don't know how they do this, as it is a very carefully guarded secret.
 
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Nanofoams/aerogels, nanotube fiber/sheet structures where tensile strength is needed, a small amount of very light metals (lithium, magnesium, and aluminum alloys), and a lot of relatively empty space.

Heaviest ship components are probably the modules and the windows (which I see as solid plates of sapphire glass).

Many people seem to think these craft are made with 20th century materials and methods, or cast out of iron, when in fact every single one of them would float on water, and float very high. A fully loaded federal dropship is less dense than a block of light wood, and an fully loaded Anaconda with military bulkheads would bob like a cork, or blow over in a stiff wind.

Think Zepplin or other dirigible. That's the density of construction likely seen on many of elite's ships. Even the heaviest ships are probably built more like aircraft (or even spacecraft!), than land an sea vehicles. This doesn't take into account the material used yet either.

Honestly, the game does a fair job of illustrating the lightness of construction these vessels, if one cares to look.

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Carbon Fibre 1950Kg/M3.

Some nanofoams are in the ballpark of one to ten kilograms per cubic meter.

I envision a few centimeters to a meter of this material between sub-millimeter sheets of carbon fiber or nanotube sheets, metalized with a lithium alloy to make pressure tight, where needed.

When you shoot to another ship you hear "metallic sound"

Sound doesn't travel in a vaccum. Virtually all sounds you hear in game are audio cues generated by the ship's computer to improve the pilots situational awareness.

And given the armor that is not all the same hope centimeter

Armor is relative.

A centimeter of armor is extremely thick armor for an aircraft, and armor would likely only be placed around vitals regardless. Anything not critical to the basic structural integrity, or not a critical subsystem, would never have armor placed over it.

numbers about 3,000 tonnes for this ship would have been more correct

Only if you make a string of absurd assumptions.

The Asp is not 20th century boat made of steel.
Handwavium is extremely strong and light...

And can even vary from ship to ship.

Handwavium is required for quite a few things in the game, but it's not required to explain ED's ship masses and volumes.
 
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