Hardware & Technical Skint Elite old-timer needs GFX card advice

The preamble: Hello. First things first, as you will see from my forum join date I joined this forum back in the dark days when Elite IV was nothing but rumour, fuelled by the quinquennial comments from David Braben in the gaming press. I loved Elite on my BBC B in the mid-80s, then Amiga and played the hell out of Frontier and FFE on the PC. Needless to say I was dead excited about Elite Dangerous, but have not been able to participate until now. If the announcement was made 4 years ago I would certainly have backed the kickstarter with a 3 figure sum, but 3 1/2 years ago... parenthood, 2 incomes became one and we still have close to zero disposable income! Life's good, who REALLY needs money... but I've listened to every episode of Lave Radio but just sat on the periphery throughout the kickstarter and into the Beta and Gamma, knowing that I couldn't afford to get involved myself for the time being, mainly because my computer is not currently up to scratch.

Well, things are looking up. I've decided to sell a couple of old Roland drum machines I never use. I should get a reasonable amount of money, at the least enough to cover the cost of the game and a second hand or low budget GFX card. Best case scenario, as one of the drum machines is a bit of a wildcard and COULD fetch a fair bit even though it doesn't work properly, is that I raise enough for an OK GFX card AND a CPU upgrade, the latter is not necessarily for ED, just to extend the life of my machine somewhat (it is currently 2.66 GHz 4 core, could grab a 3.33 GHZ 6 core if I raise enough cash).

I just cannot wait to finally get stuck into ED - I'm experiencing that excitement that so many of you experienced when the first Beta was imminent.

The important question: Please could anyone make some recommendations for Nvidia GFX cards (Nvidia is important - see full disclosure below) for someone on a budget to be able to play ED - I'll go second hand if I have to - but a range of options from absolute shoestring budget to new, kind-of OK, lower end options would be great, as I don't yet know the exact amount I have to spend. I just want to have my options ready so I can pull the trigger as soon as my gear has sold. I know that some will say that you must do ED justice and play on a really decent GFX card, but please bear in mind, I have been frustrated at not being able to be involved for ages now, and I will be happy just to be able to participate and have a reasonable experience on low settings, if that's all I can afford.

The disclaimer: OK - I have a Mac Pro (4,1 - early 2009). Just think of it as a PC for the purposes of this question, but it must be an Nvidia card. While until recently, I would have had to have paid through the nose for a card with Mac specific firmware (and had a very small selection of vastly overpriced cards), OS X will now support pretty much any Nvidia card (with some limitations around boot menu type issues - these are of no concern). Nvidia release updated OS X drivers, which is why I would prefer Nvidia to ATI. Some ATI cards will work but you don't get updated drivers. Now, I will have to check out any recommendations for Mac specific issues around power consumption and power connectors etc, but I can work that side of things out. It's just that I have never taken any notice of GFX cards before (I'm a musician - I only normally care about what my computer SOUNDS like), and while I understand Mac stuff, I don't understand GFX card specs, and there's just such a bewildering choice out there. If there's anyone here with any Mac specific advice, great, but if not - just think cheap, just think Nvidia. BTW, if anyones wondering, I have a separate HD in my machine with Windows 7.

Thanks so much in advance for your help. I just can't wait to get this sorted. See you somewhere in the Galaxy!
 
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From second hand GTX 460 / 550 or better¹²³ to new GTX 750 Ti - runs E: D more or less ok/well and shouldn't be too heavy on the wallet.

¹ GTX numbering XY0 - the lower X you have, the higher Y you need, preferably both 5 or higher (Y more important than X)
² get a GTX - GT & GTS not good anymore
³ Ti after the number gives more grunt (needs more money and wattage though)
 
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Have a look at this website for some helpful sorting and the cheapest prices

UK: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/

US: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/

The sorting options are on the right side of the page.

Zieman's post is right on the money. I'll add that the higher the number, the higher the price / power (correct me if I'm wrong).

If you've got money to burn though, I'd go for the best you can get. You won't regret it down the line.
 
I've extended the life of my 2008 Q6600 quad-core 2.4Ghz PC system by dropping £110 on a 2GB GTX 750ti OC card. (Win7 64bit, 8GB)
Yes, Elite Dangerous does stress both CPU and GPU but framerates so far seem reasonably stable at 30fps almost all the time and at 1080p and Ultra settings.
(it'll run higher, 40-50 fps in deep-space etc but I've locked it to 30fps to give it a breather rather than let it constantly render flat out)

Elite Dangerous needs a decent card so a 750ti may be the best option on a budget... if it's not too much that is and if it's compatible with your Mac - Google result seems to suggest maybe yes & that there are OS-X drivers ... but I know nowt about Macs!
Also not sure what you'd get performance wise 2nd hand, or if for much less and it'd be a bit of a risk perhaps.
The 750ti's power requirements may also be a lot lower and perhaps runs cooler than an older high-end 2nd hand card as it's a next-gen GPU.
 
Thanks, all of that advice is really helpful, exactly the kind of concise info I need to start making a choice. The GTX 750 Ti looks like a pretty good bet, and I am optimistic that I will be able to afford one of those. Power consumption looks fine (can go up to 225W), and it is supported by the latest Nvidia OS X driver.

Thanks again, much appreciated.
 
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an ex colleague of mine upgraded his Mac Pro, early 2009 model too i believe, with a GTX760. i think it was a zotac or EVGA that he used, he said after researching it, it was the best he could get.
 
Hey, just thought I'd recommend a website that I use when shopping around for a new card. This is a decent comparison of the raw horsepower of each card. Just hit CTRL + F and search for the card you're considering to find where it lands on the list.

Edit: oh apparently I'm not trusted to post links here, one of the reasons I prefer reddit to forums, whatever, just search for "videocardbenchmark" on google and choose the High End list.
 
Polared- thanks for the tip. My auction hasn't finished yet, but I've already reached enough to get the GTX750, which would make me very happy I think. If I get more, I might consider the GTX760, although if I get considerably more than I need for the GTX750, I am also thinking about an upgrade to a 6 core CPU, which would not specifically be for ED, but more just to generally extend the life of the machine a bit.

Hotshotjosh - I'll check it out thanks.

One of the good things about the GTX750 is that it seems quite efficient in terms of power consumption, which I hope will translate into being quite quiet fan wise, which is helpful for the music stuff I do with my computer.
 
The GTX 970 is by far the best bang for your buck around. So if you've got £250 to spend you can't go wrong. It's on the high end of things but so worth it if you can afford it.
 
@dryjoy, funnily enough, i actually met up with the fella i mentioned in the pub last night and asked him about this, he confirmed it was a zotac gtx760 that he got (http://tinyurl.com/leccwrg) but reckoned the cheaper 2gb version should work as well (http://tinyurl.com/memefa5), his mac pro was early 2009 model. he said he did a fair bit of research before buying and it was by far the best card that he could guarantee was going to work, also reckoned that the gtx670 should work no problem but said you have to be careful about what type of power inputs they have. he gave me a link to a page that he said he'd found particularly helpful, you've probably already seen it, but i'll give you the link anyway just in case.
http://alikgriffin.com/may/22/how-upgrade-your-old-mac-pro-graphics-card
 
Thanks for the suggestion Nemesis. My auction has ended, and as I expected I don't quite have enough cash for the GTX 970.
I think I am really looking at either a 2GB GTX 750Ti or 2 GB GTX 760. I could perhaps just about stretch to a 4GB GTX 760. I have a choice to make between the GTX750Ti and perhaps doing a CPU upgrade as well, or just going for the GTX 760. I'll sit on it for a couple of days and think about it.

Polared - thanks again to you and your mate for the tips.
 
I'm just going to add that there is another dimension to this choice of GPU, which noone is likely to be able to offer any advice on, but I just want to share my dilemma. Basically, I was starting to tend toward the GTX 760 as I can afford this card now and it's clearly better performance wise than the GTX 750Ti, but I have realised that the GTX 750Ti is extremely efficient in terms of power consumption, and being that I'm a musician, a nice QUIET card that can also play ED to a reasonable standard is a very attractive proposition so I am actually now leaning back to the 750Ti but not on financial grounds.

Thinking back a couple of weeks, I'm in a great position now, as I was racking my brains as to how exactly I could afford to get involved in ED and was thinking about scraping around for the absolute bare minimum 2nd hand GFX card that could just about manage ED, so I'm very happy. I've just got to make my decision so I can get stuck into the game!
 
I'm just going to add that there is another dimension to this choice of GPU, which noone is likely to be able to offer any advice on, but I just want to share my dilemma. Basically, I was starting to tend toward the GTX 760 as I can afford this card now and it's clearly better performance wise than the GTX 750Ti, but I have realised that the GTX 750Ti is extremely efficient in terms of power consumption, and being that I'm a musician, a nice QUIET card that can also play ED to a reasonable standard is a very attractive proposition so I am actually now leaning back to the 750Ti but not on financial grounds.

Thinking back a couple of weeks, I'm in a great position now, as I was racking my brains as to how exactly I could afford to get involved in ED and was thinking about scraping around for the absolute bare minimum 2nd hand GFX card that could just about manage ED, so I'm very happy. I've just got to make my decision so I can get stuck into the game!

I've got one of the Gigabyte Windforce OC cards (a 2Gb 760) and it's very quiet - I run a quiet setup overall (huge metal heatsink with slow fans etc) and I particularly chose this model for how quiet it is (I'm pretty sure the card can't be heard most of the time).
The Windforce cooler on the 760 is what they put on the high-end cards (780 etc) and so althought it has 3 fans, they rarely get going on a 760 - the fans only increase speed as needed on all my system... to the extent that my PSU fans is usually stationary and only spins up as needed.

Oh, and that card runs E-D pretty well on a 2560x1440 monitor or, more usually, my Oculus Rift DK2, so I'm pretty sure a 760 will do you fine.

I'm surprised the 760's haven't dropped in price (now that the 960 has been announced/released) - think I got mine from ebuyer and it was less than this, but shop around and see when the deals are offered..
http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Graphics-Cards-Nvidia/subcat/NVIDIA-GTX-760-Series
 
I'm surprised the 760's haven't dropped in price (now that the 960 has been announced/released) - think I got mine from ebuyer and it was less than this, but shop around and see when the deals are offered..
http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Graphics-Cards-Nvidia/subcat/NVIDIA-GTX-760-Series

And to reply to myself, yeah, the 960 cards are cheaper than the 760's and I expect will run faster and quieter...
If I were looking for one today, I'd get something like this
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-...165mhz-boost-1228mhz-cores-1024-dvi-i-dvi-d-d
But I expect you can read the reviews, shop around, and make your own decision, but the Windforce cards do seem to be quiet...
 
Thanks for all the ideas. I ordered a 750Ti in the end, for quietness and low hassle mac compatibility and installation. OK, so maybe I could have got something better but man... considering I thought I was going to be scraping around for a 2nd hand ATI4770 or something, I think I will be very happy.

BTW - my new card hasn't arrived yet, but I have purchased and been playing ED using my old card, which was nothing special even in 2009 when it came with my computer. It's struggling at times for sure, but it's been possible to play a bit with low graphics settings, do the tutorials, do some low key trading etc, just learning the ropes. My biggest issue at the moment is trying to play with keyboard and mouse. I could never get the hang of Frontier or FFE with the mouse, but got really good at combat using keys only. I can dock and generally fly around in non-combat OK in ED with the mouse, but combat... forget it. I've ordered a Logitech controller and I hope this will be what I need to start getting a handle on combat situationsI don't like the classic keys layout as it doesn't include yaw, lateral thrusters etc, which I think are essential, but I can't be bothered to think about sorting my own custom keyboard layout out, as the controller will arrive in a couple of days, but if I don't get on with it then I will spend some time on getting a good keyboard layout together. I do now have enough cash that I could get a stick if I wanted, but not sure I'd get on with it really.
 
GTX750 Ti arrived, is installed and has definitely passed the ED test. It's great. Finally, I can join in!
I had quite a lot of hassle installing it though. I anticipated that there might be some hassles on the Mac side of things, as it is not officially supported on OS X, but no, stuck the card in and OS X was happy as larry, no hassles. Windows 7 though... took me half the day to get it working. Totally expected it would be the other way round, but anyway... finally it's there. Out tonight so can't indulge in my first proper ED session but maybe tomorrow!
 
Have you had your first proper session? How did you get on?

I'm about to download the game, only just joined. Saw your topic title and was curious
what you chose. Glad to see you bought a 750 Ti, they're good. I bought one for my
HTPC; it's about the same speed as a GTX 580, so excellent performance given the low
power consumption and virtually zero noise.

Eager to tread where you've already been, those first few steps into it all. :D

Download commencing...

Ian.
 
I have had my first proper couple of sessions now, yes. I'm loving it I have to say. Thinking about my first ship upgrades. I've not got into any combat situations other than the tutorials yet, I need a bit more practice in the tutorials, but I reckon I be ready to have a go at bounty hunting in a week or so. Good luck with your adventure!
 
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