Skyrim: Wyre Bash?

Krash

Krash
I have about 60 mods of Skyrim in my load order. I get the occasional CTD during transitions into new areas. Some CTDs are predictable such as entering the Ragged Flagon via the secret door in Riften's graveyard is almost guaranteed to cause a CTD. I researched Crash Fixes on NexusMods which lead me to TES5Edit and Wyre Bash. TES5Edit is a no-brainer, but I have questions about Wyre Bash.
1. Is the Bashed Patch only needed if I have more than 256 mods?
2. Do I uncheck the mods merged in the Bash Patch?

The documentation of indy tools is understandably scarce. I'll keep searching the interwebs for relevant info.
 

askavir

askavir
Holy cow, Wrye Bash, blast from the past! :)

I no longer remember how to use Wrye Bash, so can't really help with your specific questions. However, in my experience, random crashes during transitions are usually due to unsalvageable borked saves... When the issues are loading the mods, it will usually either crash during loading, or crash in specific situations. Disabling autosave when travelling helps preventing these issues, but usually when it has already started randomly crashing then there's nothing to do, your save is doomed.

Also, 60 mods is not really that much, shouldn't need Wrye bash at all. You can try using Loot to sort your load order, with classic skyrim ideally you should use loot to sort the load order once when starting a new save and never change the load order again.

If you can, upgrade to 64bit Skyrim Special Edition. It's really worth it, it's miles more stable than "old skyrim", and due not having the 2GB limitation it can handle mods much better, especially graphically intensive mods. And then just use Vortex (the new nexus mods own mod manager) for managing the mods, it takes care of your load order automatically , detects missing dependencies, etc, you won't need anything else.

Anyway, sorry for not being much help, hope you solve your issues, losing a save mid-playthrough is a pain I know much too well.
 
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Krash

Krash
I'll try disabling the autosave, thanks! I want to switch to Skyrim SE but then I have to start over again and find versions of my favorite mods for SE. Yeah, I'll probably do that if this save is indeed borked.
 

Krash

Krash
askavir said:
If you can, upgrade to 64bit Skyrim Special Edition. It's really worth it, it's miles more stable than "old skyrim", and due not having the 2GB limitation it can handle mods much better, especially graphically intensive mods. And then just use Vortex (the new nexus mods own mod manager) for managing the mods, it takes care of your load order automatically , detects missing dependencies, etc, you won't need anything else.
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I looked this up on Steam, $40 for this seems overpriced. I was expecting closer to $20 for a 4 year old upgrade.
 

EUS

EUS
Krash said:
I looked this up on Steam, $40 for this seems overpriced. I was expecting closer to $20 for a 4 year old upgrade.
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I'm not a fan of buying the same game twice.
Existing owners should get the key free.
Where's my community leader, I need an open letter.
 

askavir

askavir
EUS said:
I'm not a fan of buying the same game twice.
Existing owners should get the key free.
Where's my community leader, I need an open letter.
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:D

I spent so many time (several thousands of wonderful hours) playing Skyrim that if I had to buy it 5 times it would still feel like a steal to me... But I agree, that 40$ is a bit too much for an aging game. Fortunately, sales are frequent and it's pretty common to see it being sold for 20 or 25$.

Anyway, the special edition is really worth it especially if you like to run mods, the stability improvements alone make it worth the money, plus you'll be able to crank up the graphics with texture / lighting mods like you could never before with the 32 bit ram limit, and produce a skyrim build that will look like it was released just last month. Plus there's all the little things like improved lighting, the flowing water, the fact it no longer rains or snows under roofs, etc etc.
 

Krash

Krash
I added SE to my wishlist, then the sale popped up. I bought it for $14, which is an easy call. Nice coincidence!
 

askavir

askavir
Krash said:
I added SE to my wishlist, then the sale popped up. I bought it for $14, which is an easy call. Nice coincidence!
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Fantastic coincidence! :D If you love Skyrim, you won't regret those 14$ one bit.

If you aren't doing it already, I highly recommend using Vortex as your mod manager, it automatically does a lot of stuff to prevent issues, including auto-sorting your mods load order for max compatibility, and prompt you about file conflicts and priorities when needed.

Happy modding!
 

Krash

Krash
askavir said:
Fantastic coincidence! :D If you love Skyrim, you won't regret those 14$ one bit.

If you aren't doing it already, I highly recommend using Vortex as your mod manager, it automatically does a lot of stuff to prevent issues, including auto-sorting your mods load order for max compatibility, and prompt you about file conflicts and priorities when needed.

Happy modding!
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I found some of my mods through the built-in mod library. I can use Vortex to get the rest no problem?
 

EUS

EUS
[Cartman] I hate you guys [/Cartman]
Stupid skyrim se was on sale, why did I buy it? Vanilla was fine, warts and all.
Hang on does SE have all the DLC? Edit It must since I don't see it for sale anywhere...
 
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Krash

Krash
EUS said:
[Cartman] I hate you guys [/Cartman]
Stupid skyrim se was on sale, why did I buy it? Vanilla was fine, warts and all.
Hang on does SE have all the DLC? Edit It must since I don't see it for sale anywhere...
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Looks like they're all included. My install of old Skyrim had all the DLC as well.
 
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askavir

askavir
Krash said:
I found some of my mods through the built-in mod library. I can use Vortex to get the rest no problem?
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Bear in mind that classic skyrim mods aren't compatible with Skyrim SE, you'll have to download the Skyrim SE versions (if available, most popular mods have already been converted to SE). Skyrim SE appears as a separate game in Nexus Mods website (and in Vortex). If you have Vortex installed, when clicking the download button in nexus mods it will use Vortez to download the mod (unless it says only "manual download).
 

Demascus

Demascus
Ditch Vortex, use mod manager 2. Take a little time to learn but much better to use for the overall health of your save files and game.
 

Krash

Krash
I have Vortex working for SSE (I was manual only with old skyrim). Found most of SSE mods on Nexus. No hitches until I hit SKSE64 like a brick wall. Vortex wont deploy it. I tried the manual way of unzipping it directly into the game folder and I ended up breaking the SSE install completely. Steam is downloading it again as I type this :ROFLMAO:
 
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askavir

askavir
Krash said:
I have Vortex working for SSE (I was manual only with old skyrim). Found most of SSE mods on Nexus. No hitches until I hit SKSE64 like a brick wall. Vortex wont deploy it. I tried the manual way of unzipping it directly into the game folder and I ended up breaking the SSE install completely. Steam is downloading it again as I type this :ROFLMAO:
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You can't use Vortex for SKSE because mods are deployed into the "data" folder, while skse files go to the main installation folder, and Vortex will treat SKSE as any other mod.

You can just download SKSE from here (make sure it's the special edition version, it will say something like "Current SE build 2.0.17 (runtime 1.5.97): 7z archive"): https://skse.silverlock.org/, then extract and drop the files on the main installation folder (the main folder where the .exe files are, not the "data" folder where all the mods go).

I recommend turning off auto-updates for skyrim (and fallout if you have it) in steam to avoid being blocked from playing for weeks whenever Bethesda updates their games.

Hope you have better luck this time around!
 

Krash

Krash
askavir said:
You can't use Vortex for SKSE because mods are deployed into the "data" folder, while skse files go to the main installation folder, and Vortex will treat SKSE as any other mod.

You can just download SKSE from here (make sure it's the special edition version, it will say something like "Current SE build 2.0.17 (runtime 1.5.97): 7z archive"): https://skse.silverlock.org/, then extract and drop the files on the main installation folder (the main folder where the .exe files are, not the "data" folder where all the mods go).

I recommend turning off auto-updates for skyrim (and fallout if you have it) in steam to avoid being blocked from playing for weeks whenever Bethesda updates their games.

Hope you have better luck this time around!
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I appreciate the help! Should I answer "yes" to replace the 500+ files that are duplicates in the SKSE64 zip file?
 
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