Slaw Devices Pedals
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Of what do you speak?
Got a link?
If it's a new set of rudders, I may be interested.
Got a link?
If it's a new set of rudders, I may be interested.
I just looked em up.
They look pretty nice...... But-
I am doubtful that I will buy anything off of facebook from a guy in Poland.
I would be worried about support.
I'd love to be wrong. They look really good.
They look pretty nice...... But-
I am doubtful that I will buy anything off of facebook from a guy in Poland.
I would be worried about support.
I'd love to be wrong. They look really good.
I have heard good things about slaws, I went with Crosswind mfg though because they are so customizable, and also because the creator's excellent reputation (well deserved).
Had to wait 2 months for them to be built. But oh man was it worth it. Buttery smooth and also extremely responsive. Interdictions are now a joy. Was worried the reviews were hype. They are not hype. Extremely high quality, strong and accurate, doesn't begin to describe.
The only issue is that my desk is really deep (about 4 ft from the wall) and on a soft rug, so I can't anchor the pedals on a wall or the floor like they're supposed to be. The pedals are made of a composite material which is as strong as metal but they're somewhat light (about 15 lbs). I was able to anchor them by putting in wooden spacers, but a wooden floor mount would better. If you have a normal sized desk and a wooden floor, this will not be an issue.
I've mapped the toe brakes on my crosswind to a single axis, and use them for the side thrusters. Turning wars and landing are now an absolute joy. And I mapped the rudder axis to roll (not yaw) so lining up turns and rolls feels like wha I imagine a BSG colonial viper feels like to fly. I LOVE them.
I'm coming from the CH pedals, which are decent and functional, but CH accuracy and feel are like unfolding lawn chairs by comparison to the extremely smooth and deadly accurate crosswinds.
Other pedals to consider:
T-Rudder (decent quality, sold on Amazon, no toe brakes)
Saitek (not durable, but cheap)
Had to wait 2 months for them to be built. But oh man was it worth it. Buttery smooth and also extremely responsive. Interdictions are now a joy. Was worried the reviews were hype. They are not hype. Extremely high quality, strong and accurate, doesn't begin to describe.
The only issue is that my desk is really deep (about 4 ft from the wall) and on a soft rug, so I can't anchor the pedals on a wall or the floor like they're supposed to be. The pedals are made of a composite material which is as strong as metal but they're somewhat light (about 15 lbs). I was able to anchor them by putting in wooden spacers, but a wooden floor mount would better. If you have a normal sized desk and a wooden floor, this will not be an issue.
I've mapped the toe brakes on my crosswind to a single axis, and use them for the side thrusters. Turning wars and landing are now an absolute joy. And I mapped the rudder axis to roll (not yaw) so lining up turns and rolls feels like wha I imagine a BSG colonial viper feels like to fly. I LOVE them.
I'm coming from the CH pedals, which are decent and functional, but CH accuracy and feel are like unfolding lawn chairs by comparison to the extremely smooth and deadly accurate crosswinds.
Other pedals to consider:
T-Rudder (decent quality, sold on Amazon, no toe brakes)
Saitek (not durable, but cheap)
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My CH pedals arrive today. Used to use the rocker axis on the T-Flight HOTAS-X throttle for yaw. Any thoughts on if the CH are precise enough for this use? My initial plan is to put yaw on the stick and roll on the pedals if they're not precise enough, but I'm more used to roll on the stick so it'll take some time to get used to the other setup.
The only issue is that my desk is really deep (about 4 ft from the wall) and on a soft rug, so I can't anchor the pedals on a wall or the floor like they're supposed to be, so the mount can wobble slightly if I lift the unpressed foot up while pushing the other. Since I keep both feet on at all times, this isn't really a problem. But I'm thinking of getting a floor mount (plank of wood). Or just a normal sized desk.
That's probably the one issue with them. With your feet on, they're perfectly stable, but with one off (even when putting your feet on them at the start of the session) they easily tip over, because of the Y-styled base. I'm not sure why they couldn't have widened the front(?) base more. Otherwise, they're very well made and solid.
If he ever makes a HOTAS I'd be very interested.
CH is accurate enough to use on the roll axis if you adjust the profile in the supplied software. The yaw axis though I find problematic because of the center detent. Fine adjustments are what the yaw is useful for. The Detent makes fine adjustments a bit noisy and stilted. Works great on roll though. Just my experience. Yours may vary
The CH pedals are built to last though. And there are always mods (at your own risk of course).
All 100% true.
I hope he makes a HOTAS some day. He will become rich over night if he does.
I have the BF-109 Slaw Device and it's better than advertised!
It takes time to get a Slaw, but if you can afford the time and money, they are definitely worth it. Solid steel CNC machined, all moving parts on high quality ball bearings, and top grade Hall effect sensors. Solid, precise, built to last.
I had my reservations about the purchase process as well, but there was no cause for concern. Slaw was upfront, gracious, and overall a pleasure to deal with. I didn't nag him, but he answered any questions I had promptly and always responded to my emails.
I don't believe he makes the 109's any more, which is sad; I love the way you can rest your feet on them, but apparently the F-16 style had more demand, and I think he stopped taking orders on the 109's.
The Crosswinds would be my second choice due to the lighter composite (lower weight) materials used. They are cheaper than the Slaw however, and all the feedback I've read indicates the are as well made as the Slaw Device in all other respects, So they are definitely worth considering as they have the 109 style pedals.
Either way you go, you won't be disappointed - these are in a totally different category from the typical consumer grade carp. I affirm Ziljan's remarks, it takes the ED experience to a new level where precise control is a given.
I want to affirm again that Slaw impressed me as trustworthy and professional. I had no concerns as I engaged in communication with him and the experience was slow, but well done. Packaging was superb and my pedals are a truly prized possession.
YMMV - but I doubt, very much.
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Nothing wrong with that, however I can tell you that I ordered the BF109 pedals and the arrived just perfect. I sold them and ordered the Viper pedals but are on a waiting list and just need to hear if anyone here have tried them.
I will make a unboxing and review when mine arrives.
for you who don't know.
[video=youtube;IoE3FdE8rKo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoE3FdE8rKo[/video]
Though it's worth noting, yawing in ED is - generally - gimped. You're almost always quicker rolling and pitching to get pointed where you want.
Aiming fixed weapons is the one area where having analogue inputs such as pedals really shines, it becomes a lot more fun. It also frees up a finger/thumb, which is a surprisingly big benefit in combat at times!
Isn't an either/or thing. Yaw and roll and pitch together!
Where's that crow?
Looks like I need to eat it.
Since I am on my work VPN, I cant look up that much about them.
Whats the price range of the slaw f-16?
Are we talking more or less than $500?
Looks like I need to eat it.
Since I am on my work VPN, I cant look up that much about them.
Whats the price range of the slaw f-16?
Are we talking more or less than $500?
Thanks! I'm going to give it a try on roll initially, and if it's still causing an issue I'll do a detent removal mod and replace the springs.CH is accurate enough to use on the roll axis if you adjust the profile in the supplied software. The yaw axis though I find problematic because of the center detent. Fine adjustments are what the yaw is useful for. The Detent makes fine adjustments a bit noisy and stilted. Works great on roll though. Just my experience. Yours may vary
This might be of some help, lots of useful observation on the various pedal offerings:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/3yz6it/vkb_vs_mfg_vs_slaw_rudder_pedals/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/3yz6it/vkb_vs_mfg_vs_slaw_rudder_pedals/
I don't own the MFG, so can't speak regarding those, however the Slaw BF109 are a piece of art, they will last you a life time for sure.
The price also keep up, I sold mine for the same price as I paid for them, I could actually get more for them but I didn't want to profit from it hence the same price+ freight+ new freight.
I'm just waiting for the Viper set as they was with heals on the ground, and i like that more as that is more what I'm use to IRL.
Yeah, the slaws definitely look as good as the MFGs. One big factor though is that the MFGs are at least $100 cheaper for a similar build quality/durability. Hard to argue with the all metal build of the Slaws. Although this composite material is apparently just as strong as metal and will probably outlive me anyway, lol. The composite is also feels very nice and comfy on the soles of the feet, warm in the winter, and breathable in the summer. With good traction too.
The deciding factor for me however was the comfort and customizability. The crosswind mfg looks and feel futuristic, and ergonomic, and is almost infinitely adjustable. And bonus points because they feel like they belong on a space ship
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