So BRAND new Type 9 and this happened...

[Redbarron]

You sick people you thought I'd lost it without Insurance didn't you? Well no!

The thing is I was happily trading in my Python and had enough to 'upgrade' to Type 9 but i have really found it hard to trade with nearly the same profit/hr as the Python. Just cannot seem to find any trades out there, mostly in Fed space by the way. Not having the access to the medium pad has cut my options down. I also cannot afford the A class FSD yet so still getting around 8ly jump capability.

So what you folks think, is it worth grinding until can afford an A class FSD or take the hit on selling type 9 to go back to Python?

Thanks in advance for the input

 

[777Driver]

The thing is I was happily trading in my Python and had enough to 'upgrade' to Type 9

You clearly had nowhere near enough cash to upgrade to a T9. You need 110 million bare minimum. trying to find routes with 8LY jump range is ridiculous.

This is my old T9 loadout, fuel scoop depends on the route. http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=30Y,7u67u65Rs5QS5QS01Q0Ga,2-9iBa9Y8S9i6u9s,0DI0Bk0AA7Sk07207205U05U03w Since 1.1 I would swap the weapons to turrets, don't use it much anymore, the Conda is definitely a safer why to haul large amounts of cargo, plus a 20LY range hauling 420T

 

[Acarin]

Use an online tool (eg Thrudd's) for a good, long search of the inhabited galaxy, and identify a decent trade route which will only take 2-3 jumps in your T9 (having the port close to the star is more important than how many jumps it is). Then head over there and start raking in the cash. Unfortunately, you should really do the research before buying the Space Cow, but it's not too late; personally, I wouldn't back down to the Python if you already have your T9

 

[Derath]

I sold my T9 within 20 minutes, the only circumstance earnings will increase in a T9 compared to a python are single system jumps with 2.5kcr/t+, I didn't know where one of these was and the thought of going to find one filled me with dread as T9's are essentially defenceless if you upgraded your combat rank at all.

I think sadly sir your going to have to face that whether you have access to a good route or not, you upgraded too early - i calculated 110mil for a reasonable trade T9 that was all D, A fsd, max cargo, insurance including cargo.

 

[Inodoro Pereyra]

As 777 said you need at least 99.2m just to buy an efficient T-9, add insurance and credits to fill 500t cargo...

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=30Y,,2-6QBa9Y8SA06u9s,0DI0Bk0AA7TC07207205U05U03w

I suggest to keep grinding and try to upgrade the FSD. (Buy A Hauler and go to find good trades, then take the T-9).
I really enjoyed my time in the T-9, but Anaconda is more efficient, because can jump 20ly with 420t

 

[SilverBlack]

I through 40 million cr at the T9 and it was still crap and that was without weapons.
Lasted only a day with it and went back to the Python.
The T9 has to be the worst ship in the game to fly its truly appalling.

 

[Redbarron]

Thanks for the feedback.
I agree I did probably upgrade too early. Even though I did have around 115milcr. Just not feeling the love and wanted some feedback before I decide to lose 9mil in going back to python. I suppose it also comes down to what one wants out of the game...cheers

 

[777Driver]

I through 40 million cr at the T9 and it was still crap and that was without weapons.
Lasted only a day with it and went back to the Python.
The T9 has to be the worst ship in the game to fly its truly appalling.

I wouldn't go that far, it excels at what it does- haul massive amounts of cargo with a huge fuel tank. I loved flying my T9, not the typical arcade style physics you get with some of the other ships. You need to think ahead, once you master FA OFF it's an Amazing beast to drift into position.

Each to there own.

 

[[VR] Frank_G]

Its like comparing a container ship to a destroyer... take back the python. Fly with style, be prepared for anything. Who cares about the money? The python simply rocks... and it hisses, when you floor the pedals

 

[Flavourless]

I initially regretted trading my Python in for a T9, but since then I have doubled my earnings rate and will soon be able to buy another Python whilst keeping the T9.
Will probably stick with those for trading as I have no interest in an Anaconda (even though I am close to having the cash for one)

Don't buy a T9 unless you can afford an A6 FSD immediately. Other things you can upgrade as you go along.

 

[BlackReign]

You sick people you thought I'd lost it without Insurance didn't you? Well no!

The thing is I was happily trading in my Python and had enough to 'upgrade' to Type 9 but i have really found it hard to trade with nearly the same profit/hr as the Python. Just cannot seem to find any trades out there, mostly in Fed space by the way. Not having the access to the medium pad has cut my options down. I also cannot afford the A class FSD yet so still getting around 8ly jump capability.

So what you folks think, is it worth grinding until can afford an A class FSD or take the hit on selling type 9 to go back to Python?

Thanks in advance for the input

Grind on. At this point if you sell your T9, you'll lose millions. Not worth it imho.

The nerfing of bigger ships is a huge issue for me. It makes no sense for the T9 to be so expensive with a pathetic initial jump range. Using the tools available in the game, theres no way to assess the total upgraded costs of ships, so you have to make a blind purchase, that will set you back in productivity. ED is wrong for this and it needs to change. Big ships should have better initial configurations, not less than what you upgraded from. And we need a away to know ship outfitting costs before buying.

That being said, I have a spread sheet where it calculates how much "my config" of a ship would actually cost. Using EliteShip yard (http://www.edshipyard.com/) as my reference, I takes into account the following:
- initial cost
- full payload cost (gold)
- insurance
- custom outfitting
- SOL discount


AGain, ED's hiding of the true costs is misleading and unfair to CMDRs.

 

[Lerche]

Some of you guys..

There are very easy routes just under 9ly and under 200ls travel together, jump that with 500 tons and I get atm just over 1.5 million.
PM if you need one.

And all you really need to make a ship work is the insurance, the cargo bays and money for your cargo. The D FSA always made me jump far enough.

 

[BlackReign]

Some of you guys..

There are very easy routes just under 9ly and under 200ls travel together, jump that with 500 tons and I get atm just over 1.5 million.
PM if you need one.

And all you really need to make a ship work is the insurance, the cargo bays and money for your cargo. The D FSA always made me jump far enough.

And how profitable are these routes? And where are they located? In a T9, you need at least 13ly jump range, otherwise it's way too many jumps, with the increased risk of ship damage and interdictions.

 

[777Driver]

Grind on. At this point if you sell your T9, you'll lose millions. Not worth it imho.

The nerfing of bigger ships is a huge issue for me. It makes no sense for the T9 to be so expensive with a pathetic initial jump range. Big ships should have better initial configurations, not less than what you upgraded from.

AGain, ED's hiding of the true costs is misleading and unfair to CMDRs.

So if I swap my top spec SUV to a brand new 18 wheeler I should except all the same bells and whistles? It doesn't work like that dude. Just like in the real world, you buy a base model, then pay extra for upgrades.

Fancy shelling out a hundred million on a private Jet or Yacht? sure, but make sure you have an extra 50 million to spend on options.

 

[Lerche]

And how profitable are these routes? And where are they located? In a T9, you need at least 13ly jump range, otherwise it's way too many jumps, with the increased risk of ship damage and interdictions.

This route for example is located near LHS 3447, I think 40ly. Takes 9ly, or 8.smth for a jump. Since there are in both system two stations that are both rich and high pop you don't run dry. (On Palladium that is)
And In my Conny I get 1.5 million, in a T9 it should be slightly more.

One jump from SOL theres another onte like that for example. Found that because I store my ships on Mars High.

 

[777Driver]

And how profitable are these routes? And where are they located? In a T9, you need at least 13ly jump range, otherwise it's way too many jumps, with the increased risk of ship damage and interdictions.

This is one of many routes under 7LY, probably dry now, I was using it when I first bought my T9 and had no cash.

If you don't want to put the work in that's your issue dude, but plenty of routes exist, how do you think so many of us got so rich?

Amahu - All Size docks - Extraction / Agri -
Sell Marine Equipment to Agri Station 700-1000 per ton ~200ls
-> Meat / Tea / Wine To Extraction Station/Outpost 100-300 per ton ~100ls - 300ls
Buy Palladium / Gold
Jump to
Maheou Ti - All size docks - Industrial
Sell Palladium / Gold 1000-1400 profit per ton. Palladium selling for 14,114 atm.
Buy Marine Equip If going back to agri station (~700 - 1000 per ton)
Buy Mineral Extractors if going to Extr station (300-400 per ton)

6.55 ly distance

Both Yellow Giants (Faster Super Cruise)

Cantjarin high tech close buy with tons of upgrades, also huge pop. Less than 20ls from Star.

both high security federation systems

 

[jackflash]

I through 40 million cr at the T9 and it was still crap and that was without weapons.
Lasted only a day with it and went back to the Python.
The T9 has to be the worst ship in the game to fly its truly appalling.

This - the T9 is soul crushing to fly, and that was even when seeking luxuries existed and it was only a short trip. The faster you can get to the anaconda the better. For some reason the T9 was designed by a monkey - there's no reason for it to be so heavy and expensive to fix if you scratch it. An anaconda accomplishes almost the same capacity with a third of the mass. By my napkin math, the hull of the T9 should be half as heavy as it is.

 

[Lerche]

*Cut*

Rep+ for the truth.

The Type 9 would need more cargo space and It would actually be the biggest trader atm.
Right now it's just a stepping stone to the Anaconda, which actually is not even a dedicated trader, but a necessary one since the gap is rather big.

 

[Redbarron]

Just bought a B FSD it has opened up the possibilities. I suppose it helps when you make 650k profit in one trip

Still will buy another Python when i have the money

BTW - (Playing In Open) I don't run any weapons, just chaff, heat sinks and points, do you folks do the same?

 

[Redbarron]

I wouldn't go that far, it excels at what it does- haul massive amounts of cargo with a huge fuel tank. I loved flying my T9, not the typical arcade style physics you get with some of the other ships. You need to think ahead, once you master FA OFF it's an Amazing beast to drift into position.

Each to there own.

Tried FA dude, it is much more stable with the T9, really helps as thrusters do take time to move the beast and I was over cooking them so to speak.