So...Civil Wars with no combat missions and no conflict zones

[raeat]

...Civil Wars with no combat missions and no conflict zones. I am trying to participate in two Civil Wars at the moment with a War incoming. Now, If I understand correctly, non-combat missions do squat for influence in a War/Civil War or to resolve one. Kinda limits our options when there are no combat missions and no conflict zones in systems supposedly in Civil War!

Is this a new wrinkle designed to keep us from playing the game?
Is it someone's idea of a joke?
Is it a Brexit conspiracy?

Combat/massacre mission: [where is it]
Conflict zone: [where is it]

 

[KR4K40]

The globalist bankers don't want the little man to influence the course of politics


In all seriousness, this is probably a bug. The mission board has been all kinds of ****ed up lately

 

[Demascus]

I believe I saw this bug as well pre 2.1, they fixed it mid 2.1 patch but it appears to be back again

 

[Deleted member 38366]

I remember having to Win a War using nothing but Bounty Vouchers. Luckily adequate Hunting Grounds existed, but due to lack of any Conflict Zones (bugged) it did the trick.
Takes about 2x the amount compared to Combat Bonds, but at least it possibe.

Combat Missions seem exceedingly rare unless one is docked at a Planetary Base, preferrably with a Military Economy (those commonly have nothing but Combat Missions).

PS.
Although somewhat odd, I found that Conflict Zones could appear (or not) depending on the Game Mode used.
So if you don't find any Conflict Zones i.e. in Open Play, try Group or Solo Mode and re-check.
Weird but that's what I observed.

And I assume you checked within 1000Ls of every Planet within the affected Systems, sometimes Conflict Zones spawn in rather inconvinient locations at remote Planets.

 

[Jmanis]

...Civil Wars with no combat missions and no conflict zones. I am trying to participate in two Civil Wars at the moment with a War incoming. Now, If I understand correctly, non-combat missions do squat for influence in a War/Civil War or to resolve one. Kinda limits our options when there are no combat missions and no conflict zones in systems supposedly in Civil War!

Is this a new wrinkle designed to keep us from playing the game?
Is it someone's idea of a joke?
Is it a Brexit conspiracy?

Combat/massacre mission: [where is it]
Conflict zone: [where is it]

FYI, in 2.1 combat missions had no effect on influence during war (or any missions for that matter).

Unsure if 2.2 fixed that.

Just double checking though. You've checked within 1,000 LS of each planetary body in the system? You need to get within 1000 LS of the conflict zones for them to appear on your nav panel, and they spawn around planetary bodies/moons.

Refer this bugreport re: missions. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/273184-Missions-No-effect-on-factions-in-war-state

 

[Truesilver]

PS.
Although somewhat odd, I found that Conflict Zones could appear (or not) depending on the Game Mode used.
So if you don't find any Conflict Zones i.e. in Open Play, try Group or Solo Mode and re-check.
Weird but that's what I observed.

+1

Confirmed this last night and bug reported.

Judging by the stack of other CZ reports in there, 2.2 conflicts are currently borked and then some...

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

Same thing in Quince. Civil war but no missions or combat zones along with low paying delivery missions. High paying smugglers Ng missions and of course ling range, high profit passenger missions.

 

[Vingtetun]

been this way most of the year so far... there's a bug somewhere they've not tracked down yet.... we have submitted 7 bug reports so far about wars with no zones, or wars with permanent ceasefire

 

[raeat]

I managed to get one "massacre" mission by switching between the three game modes. I recall the 1000 Ls rule from previous conversations.

I had to endlessly scour the NavBeacon instance to get the needed kills. Painfully boring and labour intensive. Aren't games supposed to be fun or something?

Scan ... ... ... Aww.
Scan ... ... ... Aww.
Scan ... ... ... Aww.
Scan ... ... ... Aww.
Scan ... ... ... Yes! if only i can get there in ti ... Aww.
Scan ... ... ... Aww.
repeat, ad nauseam ...

Hey, FalconFly. I, too, am doing the Independent Democracy thing, although probably elsewhere from where you are. I'm kind of "in harm's way." One of the two systems I was talking about is a control system of a Power I am trying to hurt... and keep hurting...
I've flipped four systems so far with one set to expand, with a little help, but it is an arduous undertaking.

 

[GaryII]

Looks like 2.2 bug, same issue for me...

 

[Herbrand]

Yesterday I went to a Civil War system and stacked a bunch of Massacre missions.

Except that there were 4 factions in war with each other (2 times 1vs1) and ALL the Conflict Zones I could find involved the OTHER duo, not the one I signed up for (my side being the Controlling Faction).
I relogged several times and I could not find a single CZ involving the factions I took missions for. Disgrunted, I give up and cancelled all the missions. Such a waste of time...

 

[TargetLost]

Combat Missions seem exceedingly rare unless one is docked at a Planetary Base, preferrably with a Military Economy (those commonly have nothing but Combat Missions).

That's what bothers me most!
In all that days since 2.2 I found 1 single Massacre Mission and Boy I was wherever there were wars.

Also it seems that said planetary base print 10 identical kill skimmer Mission just for fun and not once but repetable. And funny when I checked the other faction on the board they offered the VERY same Mission s just for a factor 10 less well pay!

Somehow they messed up the Mission System and not just the warzone spawn.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Hey, FalconFly. I, too, am doing the Independent Democracy thing, although probably elsewhere from where you are. I'm kind of "in harm's way." One of the two systems I was talking about is a control system of a Power I am trying to hurt... and keep hurting...
I've flipped four systems so far with one set to expand, with a little help, but it is an arduous undertaking.

Hehe, looks like you like a solid challenge

PS.
Whenever I take Kill-Missions (Anti-Pirate) and find out there's no RES in the Target System, I prefer hopping into Signal Sources instead of hugging the NAV Beacon (which is oozingly slow at feeding suitable Mission Targets).
At least for me, that works better than falling asleep in the NAV Beacon and on the Shipping Lane the frequent "Weapons Fire Detected" Signal Sources give an okay'ish Target count to work with

 

[raeat]

Maybe I can ask you, FalconFly...

Are Democracies considered to be in the same family of factions as communist factions (i.e. would a conflict between them be a civil war or an election) or is it a "sometimes yes - sometimes no" thing? A friend of mine is keen on the pure, philosophical communist factions, and that I don't really mind, if it won't end up being a ton of factional in-fighting, Civil Wars.

 

[Adhock]

Are Democracies considered to be in the same family of factions as communist factions-

No.

Only Democracies and their Federal equivalent "Political" governments will engage in elections with each other.

Communist governments will only engage in elections against other Communist governments.

You match a Democracy and a Communist in influence there will be a (Civil) War every time.

This is true of every government type. Only government types of the exact same type will engage in elections. Otherwise there will be a violent conflict. This is an absolute.

 

[Herbrand]

Maybe the civil war involves exclusively ground fighting..?

 

[Cpt Shadow Wolfe]

Was trying to rank up with the blaster, and the system was in civil war, but was unable to locate any CZs. Figured it was a glitch, easier to turn in bonds over bounties since there are no good bounty spots in Wolf 497, cept the nav beacon if you don't mind waiting a long time between spawns. Was in open, so I relogged into solo, and waalaa, CZs all over the place. Went back to open, no CZs. Must be broken. Same thing occurred while in srv hunting materials. Radar would indicate a mesoderite, but nothing could be seen, happened anytime I came across them, again I was in open, went to solo and then they began appearing.

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Maybe I can ask you, FalconFly...

Are Democracies considered to be in the same family of factions as communist factions (i.e. would a conflict between them be a civil war or an election) or is it a "sometimes yes - sometimes no" thing? A friend of mine is keen on the pure, philosophical communist factions, and that I don't really mind, if it won't end up being a ton of factional in-fighting, Civil Wars.

No.

Only Democracies and their Federal equivalent "Political" governments will engage in elections with each other.

Communist governments will only engage in elections against other Communist governments.

You match a Democracy and a Communist in influence there will be a (Civil) War every time.

This is true of every government type. Only government types of the exact same type will engage in elections. Otherwise there will be a violent conflict. This is an absolute.

Odd... For all I know (and personally experienced), Communism will actually hold Elections vs. a Democracy (?)

I've seen Elections of a Democracy so far with
– Democracy
– Confederation
– Theocracy
– Broker
– Communism
– Cooperative
("Political" just not personally observed yet but AFAIK they're indeed the same)

If in doubt, Filter the Galaxy Map for State : Election and check out the matched Faction pairs; shouldn't take too long to get a solid overview. [*]
But for all I know, the pool of Democracy-compatible Government types that will result in Elections is surprisingly large.

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[*]
Just tried it with the GalMap and got surprised by how few Elections are being held in the bubble.
Although I have a truckload of Map Data, I'm lacking System Maps for too many to check them out.

Found only one Communism Election I could view :