So, has anyone found signs of "the missing" yet?

KRONFROMGALVATRON

KRONFROMGALVATRON
This seems to indicate there is something to find that's already in game. But the pessimist in me thinks it's just backstory to explain the POIs existence out in the deep black (all the nav beacons and tea factories). I'm assuming if someone ran across a lost colony or isolated station e.g. during the DW expedition we'd have heard about it? I'd love to find something truly unique out there. I'm heading towards the putative formidine rift area now and am trying to keep my eyes peeled for anything out of the ordinary. So far no dice. Maybe it's not 'soon' yet given the delay of 2.1 and we need more info before anything can happen?


Originally Posted by Michael Brookes:

Putting on my story hat for a moment the sharp eyed amongst you have noticed a story in GalNet about ‘The Missing’. In brief The Missing is an encompassing term for everyone who has disappeared without trace in deep space. This includes colonists on the ancient generation ships, lost colonies, disappeared scientific expeditions and a host of others. Some will know from our timeline that many thousands of ‘generation ships’ left the safety of Earth beginning in the 24th century onwards, and headed out into what was then largely unknown – with just some data from probes to guide them. The process was completely unregulated, and many were not as well prepared as they should have been. In those days when faster-than-light communication didn’t exist, many of these potential settlers faced terrible risks alone, travelling thousands of light years into the black, not unlike the wagon trains that set out across continental US in the 18th and 19th centuries before them. Not all were successful at founding new worlds. Most were not. Some managed to return with tails of their adventures. Some were lost in deep space, the dead hulk of their ship carrying on an almost endless trajectory ever deeper into space. Others managed to land and survived for many decades before being overtaken by some local disaster. Some may still be alive, just restricted to low power light speed communications, or no comms at all, as their equipment has failed over the centuries in between. We say they have disappeared without trace, but just maybe some will find some traces of them that are still out there…

The plight of The Missing is just one of the things that will become more prominent over the coming year and the Commanders of the Pilots Federation will be pivotal in solving these mysteries. You can expect more news on this soon!
 

domaq

domaq
Some would say that occupied escape pods found 65,000ly from Sol would be considered "the missing." But then we've left a couple here ourselves on Distant Worlds Expedition. It's a shame those pods don't say how old they are or whether the contents are still alive. We could pop them open and ask them.

The recent GalNet article on President Jasmina Halsey's story seems to indicate someone is "out there" but then she could just be bat-poodoo crazy like the rest of us who have been in the Void too long.
 
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xondk

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AndyinMission said:
This seems to indicate there is something to find that's already in game. But the pessimist in me thinks it's just backstory to explain the POIs existence out in the deep black (all the nav beacons and tea factories). I'm assuming if someone ran across a lost colony or isolated station e.g. during the DW expedition we'd have heard about it? I'd love to find something truly unique out there. I'm heading towards the putative formidine rift area now and am trying to keep my eyes peeled for anything out of the ordinary. So far no dice. Maybe it's not 'soon' yet given the delay of 2.1 and we need more info before anything can happen?


Originally Posted by Michael Brookes:

Putting on my story hat for a moment the sharp eyed amongst you have noticed a story in GalNet about ‘The Missing’. In brief The Missing is an encompassing term for everyone who has disappeared without trace in deep space. This includes colonists on the ancient generation ships, lost colonies, disappeared scientific expeditions and a host of others. Some will know from our timeline that many thousands of ‘generation ships’ left the safety of Earth beginning in the 24th century onwards, and headed out into what was then largely unknown – with just some data from probes to guide them. The process was completely unregulated, and many were not as well prepared as they should have been. In those days when faster-than-light communication didn’t exist, many of these potential settlers faced terrible risks alone, travelling thousands of light years into the black, not unlike the wagon trains that set out across continental US in the 18th and 19th centuries before them. Not all were successful at founding new worlds. Most were not. Some managed to return with tails of their adventures. Some were lost in deep space, the dead hulk of their ship carrying on an almost endless trajectory ever deeper into space. Others managed to land and survived for many decades before being overtaken by some local disaster. Some may still be alive, just restricted to low power light speed communications, or no comms at all, as their equipment has failed over the centuries in between. We say they have disappeared without trace, but just maybe some will find some traces of them that are still out there…

The plight of The Missing is just one of the things that will become more prominent over the coming year and the Commanders of the Pilots Federation will be pivotal in solving these mysteries. You can expect more news on this soon!
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Quoted for readability and answer. (seriously use auto in colour, don't colour it yourself to fit your theme as normal text)

Also no, I don't believe there has been anything new, course, yeah, as also mentioned there's escape pods in deep space.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
If they were still alive, but not with access to spaceflight technology, they'd need to be on an ELW or maybe a Water World. With our current limitations on safely approaching those worlds we'd never be able to spot them.

There seems to be a distinct border roughly 1000 LY from Sol where both signal sources and ground POIs change character - the signal sources drop to salvageable wreckage only, and the ground POIs become significantly rarer and some types disappear entirely (such as the ones with buildings). Inside that border it seems implausible anything would remain undetected - many of the systems have had full DSS surveys by players; the rest must have been repeatedly examined by NPCs.

Outside that border, on the other hand, is too far for a ship to reach at sublight speeds in the 1000 years since the 24th century. (Frankly, the edge of the current bubble is too far to reach at any practical sublight speeds in 1000 years). So, yes, a mystery...
 

Edelgard von Rhein

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The only members of the 'missing' that have been found are the occupied escape pods that are ubiquitous, if you look for long enough. A few members of DWE, including myself, brought trade goods with us in case we encountered a lost outpost but we have not found anything like this. If you are going out to the Formidine Rift to search for signs of them, or whatever else might be lurking out there, there is one tip I can offer: use the filters on your left-hand panel to help you. This can show you immediately on arrival in a system whether you have stumbled across anything interesting. When I am out exploring, I also check Earth-like and Ammonia Worlds for lights on the dark side but have yet to find any. Good luck in your search!
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(I also wonder - i.e. speculate heavily - whether zooming up on a star in the Galaxy Map might provide a clue as to whether a system has something interesting but I don't have the best ear for that kind of thing. It occurs to me that the excellent sound team at FD might do something like that and you've still only a remote prospect of coming across an interesting system by chance in the Galaxy Map, as you do of entering one on your way somewhere... but being realistic I suspect you will have to enter the system to find anything and even then will need to be within 1000Ls to spot a signal source or POI).
 

Mengy

Mengy
Part of me hoped that we'd find something related to The Missing along the way on the DWE, but alas we did not. My gut tells me that there's nothing to find yet and that it will be added with later expansions and patches.


But then part of me also wonders if there IS something to find in the game already? Maybe an ELW in deep space that has the lights of civilization glowing on it's dark side? Or maybe there's one system out on the other side of the galaxy that has one space station in it and NPC's flying around it, like an oasis of humanity floating isolated in the black?
 

Erimus Kamzel

Erimus Kamzel
AndyinMission said:
This seems to indicate there is something to find that's already in game. But the pessimist in me thinks it's just backstory to explain the POIs existence out in the deep black (all the nav beacons and tea factories). I'm assuming if someone ran across a lost colony or isolated station e.g. during the DW expedition we'd have heard about it? I'd love to find something truly unique out there. I'm heading towards the putative formidine rift area now and am trying to keep my eyes peeled for anything out of the ordinary. So far no dice. Maybe it's not 'soon' yet given the delay of 2.1 and we need more info before anything can happen?
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This was my exact same feeling when the whole "missing" thing was posted - especially as it came in the wake of a lot of complaints about the galaxy being saturated with human garbage.

I'm a bit cynical when it comes to FD and exploration 'content' ;)


I have no doubt more content is on its way, but it wouldn't at all surprise me that the content regarding the missing exits in text form only on Galnet posts, and the actual physical stuff probably won't be there until after 2.1.

Hope I'm wrong :)

FD have said the garbage will be cleaned up after 2.1... hopefully massively toned down, so finding a radar blip on the SRV scanner 50K from home actually gets the adrenaline running - as it should have done from day 1 of Horizons!
 
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Cdr Voorheez

Cdr Voorheez
My Conda's toilet is missing some pretty heavy duty solid waste. Maybe that could count as FD cleanup:)
 
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Duckfather

Duckfather
CMDR Thrust from Bradford says he found a planet side colony and stopped off to have tea with them a few patches back, but is refusing to divulge their location ;)
 

KRONFROMGALVATRON

KRONFROMGALVATRON
Edelgard von Rhein said:
The only members of the 'missing' that have been found are the occupied escape pods that are ubiquitous, if you look for long enough. A few members of DWE, including myself, brought trade goods with us in case we encountered a lost outpost but we have not found anything like this. If you are going out to the Formidine Rift to search for signs of them, or whatever else might be lurking out there, there is one tip I can offer: use the filters on your left-hand panel to help you. This can show you immediately on arrival in a system whether you have stumbled across anything interesting. When I am out exploring, I also check Earth-like and Ammonia Worlds for lights on the dark side but have yet to find any. Good luck in your search!
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(I also wonder - i.e. speculate heavily - whether zooming up on a star in the Galaxy Map might provide a clue as to whether a system has something interesting but I don't have the best ear for that kind of thing. It occurs to me that the excellent sound team at FD might do something like that and you've still only a remote prospect of coming across an interesting system by chance in the Galaxy Map, as you do of entering one on your way somewhere... but being realistic I suspect you will have to enter the system to find anything and even then will need to be within 1000Ls to spot a signal source or POI).
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This is indeed great advice, somehow I hadn't thought of doing that. I usually go look at the right hand panel where it would usually show state of any factions present and if it's blank that means uninhabited, but using filtering in the left hand panel would be faster/easier. Thanks!
 

disorganise

disorganise
I'm pretty sure all the crash sites I've come across up to WP17 have included a broken buggy.....same as the one I drive by the looks of it.
Since they (buggys) were only recently invented they (esacpe pods) cannot be the missing imo.
 

Turjan

Turjan
All I can say is these 'missing' must either be pretty lazy or pretty stupid, because no expedition has found even the tiniest trace of them so far.

Oh sure, we've found a babagazillion traces left by 'non-missing' humans (i.e. us) in the form of still-powered canisters, escape pods, beacons and black boxes...but as these are indeed all still powered, they must be recent artifacts, not relics from hundreds of years ago.

If any generation ships have set up colonies out there, I can only assume they've all reverted to a pre-space technology level of existence because we've found no evidence of unfamiliar human technology, not even on the moons of ELWs which, one would assume, would be the most logical place for non-atmosphere capable explorers like ourselves to go looking for remains (or indeed the active presence) of space-faring human.

So my gut tells me, nope, there's just nowt out there for us to find yet.

Space is big, yes, but it some ways it's not really that big. Look at the barnacles business - some prety heavy clues had to be dropped as to where to look for them, but once one was found, others were found very quickly indeed.

Now, with the DW Expedition having reached its destination, you think if players were intended to find something in the far black at the moment, our expedition would be the perfect vehicle for such a discovery. But the total absence of finds, plus the absence of any barnacle-location-type clues or hints thrown our way again tells me that there's just nothing out there for us to find in the current build.

If I'm wrong, I would LOVE for FDev to point it out right here and now, while there's still a sizeable expeditionary force at Beagle to make use of such clues!

I'm hoping that when the POIs are cleaned up, we may be rewarded with interesting deep space replacements instead, ones which make more sense...and mean I don't have to keep coming up with convoluted yet logical Elite lore face-saving explanations in Turjan's Travels episodes... ;)
 

Turjan

Turjan
Jackie Silver said:
Other they just don't want to be found...
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That's certainly a possibility, aye - but it would be a bit self-defeating from FDev's point of view if they said to us "Hey you players, go out and find the 'missing'! Oh btw they're hiding from you, so good luck!"

Wouldn't rule it out though despite that, lol ;)
 

iain666

iain666
Any generation ships are probably travelling at sublight speed. Even optimistically any individual ship will only be within sensible supercruise range of a star once every few years at most. They're most likely all in the interstellar voids we can't really get to...
 
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