So how is it even an anarchy faction?
- Thread starter Wyrm
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Anarchy and criminal mean different things.
Being an anarchist doesn't automatically mean you mug people at gun point.
in Elite it surely is.
Show me a single anarchy faction in Elite that doesn't have bounty on their ships.
Space missions against them always either legal pirate assassination, or pirate massacre.
Space missions for them always either acquiring illegal stuff, stealing stuff, or illegal assassination.
But their base personnel suddenly somehow clean and law abiding?..
And even that doesn't explain why looting them is illegal.
stormyuk
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But you can in the space game? You can murder ships and rob at will in anarchy. No bounties.
Indeed. And once again, not only installation belongs to anarchy faction. But system itself at anarchy security state (or no security in short).
Technically looting anywhere in this system should NOT be illegal. left alone looting anarchists.
If you kill someone in an anarchy, you don't get a bounty.
So no matter what "crimes" they're committing, it's perfectly normal for anarchists to not be wanted by an anarchy jurisdiction. If go bounty hunting without a KWS in space in an anarchy system, every ship will show as "lawless" instead of wanted. If you do bring a KWS, all the bounties you find will be for jurisdictions other than the anarchists.
So, again, there is nothing incongruous about anarchist NPCs, or any NPCs, in a system or facility owned by anarchists, to not have local bounties.
As for their base being clean and law abiding, go to an anarchy port and shoot a ship outside it. They won't care. Shoot the station itself and you'll see the rebuy screen real fast. Likewise, you can park outside with a hatchbreaker and rob people all day - but as soon as you try to hatchbreak one of their faction's ships, they'll blow you out of the sky.
Working absolutely as intended. Just because they're anarchists doesn't mean they'll let you rob them - they just don't use the usual mechanisms of the state to do it.
That's why we have scanners, to scan for NON-LOCAL bounties.
Which there still wasn't any.
And again anarchists means anarchists. Everyone for themselves, and technically they are all outlaws, as been anarchist meaning you refuse to abide any law.
So how on earth law-abiding factions would treat us as a thief, if we loot those outlaws?
Not mentioning how would it even be tracked, in system that literally have zero security.
So?
If I rob someone in an anarchy system, but don't commit a crime outside of that anarchy system, my record is clean. If someone scans me with a kill-warrant scanner for non-local bounties while I'm in the anarchy system, I will show as clean.
Even in Horizons, if you go to an anarchist settlement and trespass there, they will open fire upon you.
Frankly, the mob not putting a price on your head after you rob them is the unbelievable part here.
Doesn't mean they all do though - admittedly I am playing devil's advocate...
stormyuk
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I've never gotten s bounty in Horizons either stealing from transport ships in anarchy. As they are all usually listed as 'lawless'. You can interdict and murder at will pretty much anywhere in system.
Anarchy
Anarchy is lawlessness, a condition of no government or ruling power. Typically, there is no leader or political governance. Advocates of anarchy are called anarchists. There are social theories that it can result in harmony, but it is usually associated with disorder and social chaos.[1] A star...
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'A star system with a controlling Anarchy minor faction allows crimes to be committed without consequence'
So it doesn't quite stack up to me either why stealing would be illegal on foot.
I agree the guys are probably bounty free, if it is consistent with the space game they should be listed as 'lawless'.
When you say illegal, do you mean you're getting a bounty when you loot the anarchy faction's installations? I'd agree that would need looking at, since how would it work in an anarchy system anyway since no-one could claim it? If they just shooting at you, yes, working as intended as a station will shoot you down for attacking a ship linked to the controlling faction. You'd basically be saying that these outlaws shouldn't be bothered about being robbed.
Yeah, you will. Bu you WILL NOT receive fines and/or bounties for trespassing, and killing them in turn not only give you bounty. but YOU actually will get bounty for killing skimmers that belong to anarchists.
No, i mean loot registered as stolen when you pick it up. Thus even in secured space you will get bounty if scanned while having that loot, and vendors will not accept it for equipment upgrade.
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Nvm, loot loosing "stolen" tag as soon as you leave anarchy facility. So at least that's good.
No bounty on anarchists still sucks though. Bounty hunters surely will be unhappy, if you can't find places with bounty-guaranty targets.
And again, it just weird that anarchists ships ALWAYS have bounty (yes, even in anarchy systems, you just have to scan them with warranty scanner). But anarchist troops almost never have those.
Nvm, loot loosing "stolen" tag as soon as you leave anarchy facility. So at least that's good.
No bounty on anarchists still sucks though. Bounty hunters surely will be unhappy, if you can't find places with bounty-guaranty targets.
And again, it just weird that anarchists ships ALWAYS have bounty (yes, even in anarchy systems, you just have to scan them with warranty scanner). But anarchist troops almost never have those.
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System controlled by anarchy faction, with anarchy security state.
Odyssey installation controlled by anarchy faction.
Not a single member in that installation have a bounty on them (scanned all bodies).
And...
Looting their base still an illegal act
In their own jurisdiction, they wouldn't put bounties on themselves, however, they should probably have bounties from elsewhere, and yes, in their jurisdiction, it should be illegal to shoot them, illegal as in, our boys will smack you up if you mess with us, but still, illegal
stormyuk
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Doesn't happen even if you shoot authority ships in an anarchy system in space.
Because they are marked lawless.
Consistency would be nice.
100% agree. (I just think anarchy should have their own "law" kill one of our own and we'll mess you up, would require.... Stuff FD wouldn't do though, so for practically, just consistency is best for sureDoesn't happen even if you shoot authority ships in an anarchy system in space.
Because they are marked lawless.
Consistency would be nice.
Yeah, in a political sense anarchy can simply mean the absence of a centralized government or authority and emphasis on individual freedom.