So, lootboxes are now art. Regulation = cencorship. MAD?

Caramel Clown

Caramel Clown
Not a usual thing I do, but for those of you who have seen the latest Sterling video will know what's this about. I will not link the video, since it's slightly NSFW. In usual Jim Sterling fashion, but you can easily find it and watch it.
Gist of it: apparently according to certain individuals regulation of gambling in gaming equals censorship of artistic expression. My take on this - the world has officially undeniably indubitably gone completely mad. If anybody can say this in their right mind, there's no other explanation.
Interested to see what other forum dwellers here think about a whole situation. Try your best to keep this politics free, pretty please :)
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
Caramel Clown said:
Not a usual thing I do, but for those of you who have seen the latest Sterling video will know what's this about. I will not link the video, since it's slightly NSFW. In usual Jim Sterling fashion, but you can easily find it and watch it.
Gist of it: apparently according to certain individuals regulation of gambling in gaming equals censorship of artistic expression. My take on this - the world has officially undeniably indubitably gone completely mad. If anybody can say this in their right mind, there's no other explanation.
Interested to see what other forum dwellers here think about a whole situation. Try your best to keep this politics free, pretty please :)
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As an avid supporter of Jim, The Quartering, Heel vs. Babyface and others, I can only say one thing:
Yep. The gaming industry's only loyalty is money. Not some money, not more money. ALL money. If we let them milk us like dumb cows we are, we've got what we deserved. :)

To quote one of my favourite characters from the Secret World: "If you truly want to understand humanity, you need only read the comments section on YouTube"
 
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Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Jenner
Chris Simon said:
To quote one of my favourite characters from the Secret World: "If you truly want to understand humanity, you need only read the comments section on YouTube"
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That's..... depressing! lol

But yeah...lootboxes are terrible and publishers/devs that use them should be ashamed.
 
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moorison

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There is some skill required to achieve the best lootbox experience for players and publishers, graphics, sound and of course chances have to be thought through and match the theme of the IP or be different enough to stand out from the competition.

Following the most basic definition, lootboxes are art. But this definition is almost meaningless in general discussions.
Lootboxes would certainly not be called high art however and the industry usually strives to fit this term.
 

Caramel Clown

Caramel Clown
moorison said:
There is some skill required to achieve the best lootbox experience for players and publishers, graphics, sound and of course chances have to be thought through and match the theme of the IP or be different enough to stand out from the competition.

Following the most basic definition, lootboxes are art. But this definition is almost meaningless in general discussions.
Lootboxes would certainly not be called high art however and the industry usually strives to fit this term.
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Design of a slot machine installed in a casino can be considered art. However, design of slot machines is not regulated. Only how it works, where it can be installed, and who can use them.
 
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AJW

AJW
Forging banknotes is an art. Still illegal. As for corporate dystopias, the reason we don't really live in one is it is marginally more profitable to give the punters at least the illusion that they aren't directly ruled by our pinstriped overlords. The punters work harder that way. That, and the fact that most of the stripey ones these days are more concerned with enlarging their own individual bank balances than looking to increase long-term corporate overlordship.
 

Morbad

Morbad
Gambling is gambling, even if some aspects of it are 'art'.

However, if it were up to me, I wouldn't specifically regulate gambling. Prohibitions on making false statements and enforcement of any contracts would still apply, but as long as the rules of the game and it's chances are clearly stated, further regulation is unjust, IMO.

metatheurgist said:
Fortunately we don't quite live in a corporate dystopia...yet.
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I do.
 

MTBFritz

MTBFritz
metatheurgist said:
They don't quite call all the shots yet. When they start openly having private armies I'll agree with you. :)
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They dont call them "armies" but international companies have very "extensive" security forces on pay, many having special forces as members, highly trained and very well equipped. Seems tho like the current "vibe" goes to independant seucrity firms selling out their services to whoever can pay...including governments so you might argue that we are already there or even past that point.
 

who?

who?
Fine by me.

I then argue software/music piracy is performance art, on my part, and thus cannot subject to censorship.
 

schmicknick

schmicknick
Caramel Clown said:
Design of a slot machine installed in a casino can be considered art. However, design of slot machines is not regulated. Only how it works, where it can be installed, and who can use them.
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I like your point, but I think there is some legislation with regard to what is subliminal advertising... and actually some of the art that has been developed as subliminal has been quite remarkable.
 

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Does this mean I can claim my sociopathic tendencies to be art?

I'm only expressing myself after all...

That's how ridiculous this is.
 

Jools

Jools
I will not bother to watch the video, but for me its simple:

1. Deleting all the gambling mini-games from Fallout new vegas ... that you play in a virtual world for virtual cash that you can only acquire in that gaming world = censorship of artistic expression

2. Banning lootboxes that you buy for real money = preventive actions taken against gambling (which many are prone too, and exposed at young age could have severe problems in the future)
 
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Mole HD

Mole HD
metatheurgist said:
They don't quite call all the shots yet. When they start openly having private armies I'll agree with you. :)
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MTBFritz said:
They dont call them "armies" but international companies have very "extensive" security forces on pay, many having special forces as members, highly trained and very well equipped. Seems tho like the current "vibe" goes to independant seucrity firms selling out their services to whoever can pay...including governments so you might argue that we are already there or even past that point.
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Had I not been blown up in 2002...that's what I would have been doing. All my ex forces friends are working private security, 3 of them with their own security consultancy businesses too. A few others ended up working for the Shah of Oman in his private army or for various Sheiks in Qatar or surrounding Gulf Arabian countries. :)

I was supposed to be working for a Dutch-international oil firm as head of security... had I returned from Afghanistan relatively unscathed of course, I had signed the contract before I went since I had already informed the Army I was leaving after that particular shout and had handed in my required notice...

Afghanistan was supposed to be my last job for the Army... it nearly ended up as my dying wish as things turned out.
 
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