So someone keeps arguing that the Python is better then the FDL at PvP...I'm open to changing my mind...

Ozram

Ozram
Crusina Luachra said:
Not that I think I will though.

Thread in question that inspired this post. Please do not vote if you follow the link.

https://np.reddit.com/r/EliteOne/comments/4dtos9/fdl_vs_python_what_is_the_best_med_ship_in_the/
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I'd also like to see those claims substantiated. Personally I don't find the Python very intimidating in the hands of another commander and s/he would have a hard time facing just about anything that IS PVP oriented. Turn radius, speed and acceleration on those babies is just not enough to be a viable 1v1 ship. As a tank in a wing, sure. It's got decent forward firepower but I'll admit I don't worry about them at all from my FAS, Vulture or iCourier.
 

Cyrgon

Cyrgon
I'm not sure how it can really be open to debate. If you're talking skilled pilots that actually know how to fly with FA-off, you could never take an FDL with a Python. especially after the recent upgrade it received to lateral thrusters, which do a lot of the positioning work in PVP unless you're jousting or the target is faster than you. Half the arguments I read in that thread pro-Python are chest thumping, bluster or just plain wrong.
 
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Moritz Norman

Moritz Norman
I own both but have been using the Python as a trader. Anyone have a combat build for the Python that they are really confident in? The guy in that thread doesn't seem to be sharing.

What's odd is that that's the second Python vs FDL argument on Reddit that I've seen today. The other one was in the FDL screenshot thread of the main ED sub.
 

Ozram

Ozram
Moritz Norman said:
I own both but have been using the Python as a trader. Anyone have a combat build for the Python that they are really confident in? The guy in that thread doesn't seem to be sharing.

What's odd is that that's the second Python vs FDL argument on Reddit that I've seen today. The other one was in the FDL screenshot thread of the main ED sub.
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Yeah, it's an odd claim. Perhaps they're on XBox. I hear things are different over there.
 

Crusina Luachra

Crusina Luachra
Ozram said:
Yeah, it's an odd claim. Perhaps they're on XBox. I hear things are different over there.
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Except the large majority agree that the FDL is better. So the meta can't be to different, also a lot of PC players use controllers as well.

I think this guy is delusional.
 
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Cyrgon

Cyrgon
The argument just seems to boil down to survivability via SCBs, which means nothing in the long run if being attacked by something that packs a punch in your weight class. All SCB internals would draw the fight out sure, but unless the FDL is making numerous mistakes your TOT is way too low to win against a ship that outstrips in speed, pitch and maneuverability. FDL agility is more than good enough to keep close and away from the convergence zone, and can't be outboosted as it has better capacitor recharge-to-boost costs.
 
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Ozram

Ozram
Cyrgon said:
The argument just seems to boil down to survivability via SCBs, which means nothing if being attacked by something that packs a punch in your weight class. All SCB internals would draw the fight out sure, but unless the FDL is making numerous mistakes your TOT is way too low to win against a ship that outstrips in speed, pitch and maneuverability.
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Even that is ridiculous as the Python doesn't have many utility modules so the shields are either heavy or they are heavily dependent on the scb's (and heat sinks) but not both. Either way the FDL is the better ship for combat.
 
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nosleepdemon

nosleepdemon
That toxic guy sounds like a nice fella. It's a cute thread for sure, I love how he simply pretends that some things said, that are objectively true, are null and void. I hope he enjoys superheating his dashboard: against a rail FDL, he is going to be munching SCBs like popcorn while his world explodes in dazzling hues of blue and green.
 

Spacecat

Spacecat
All I know is that I'm always glad to come across a wanted Python at a RES because I can always outmaneuver it without any problem and get a decent bounty for it.
 

Princess Nia

Princess Nia
FDL simply lacks the alpha to crack through a python.

Unless it's running rails though, but that's basically the FDL's only win condition in a FDL vs Python scenario, but a python could probably last longer in a RES though i'd have to do some math on it
 

Moritz Norman

Moritz Norman
Well a PvP FDL is most likely going to have rails/hammers. Or MCs to counter the stealth builds.

My PvE FDL can last forever in a HazRes; I imagine I could do the same in a Python. But the argument is more about the PvP meta.
 
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Crash1099

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Princess Nia said:
FDL simply lacks the alpha to crack through a python.

Unless it's running rails though, but that's basically the FDL's only win condition in a FDL vs Python scenario, but a python could probably last longer in a RES though i'd have to do some math on it
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All you need is multicannons and the python is bye bye.
 

Slack

Slack
FDL has no risk going into combat vs a Python, it can always back out. Python on the other hand, cant run so easily, so it bears all the risk.

I would take an FDL any day of the week (for 1v1 pvp combat)
 
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