So what is the current Criminality mechanics (now)? 7 days now unable to pay bounty... Then...?

So if I go and murder someone...

I get say an 6000CR bounty, and become wanted in (just) that system... And now I cannot pay that fine for 7 days?

At the end of that seven days then what? I can happily pay it (anywhere) and so clear it?

I'll swear there was talk about it clearing itself too after another time period? But I can't believe that's correct?

Anyone able to clarify or point to something explaining it?
 
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I believe bounties under a certain amount clear themselves automatically, but anything above the kill threshhold is a 7 day then pay off job.
 
the ones that auto-clear are supposed to be really minor offences, friendly fire, speeding etc anything that involves a full kill i believe goes straight into 7 days

Sorry... I'm being dim...

So for PP I'm going to an enemy Power's Controlled system and killing their agents. For this I get a murder charge each time... Say 6000CR.

So let's say I do this 20 times, so accrue 120,000CR in a bounty, and of course have a Wanted status.


So after 7 days I can pay this 120,000CR fine to lose my Wanted status. And if I don't it just stays there forever?
 
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There have been some minor changes, but this is how it should work in general:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=141640

So to clarify...?

Whenever you commit a new bounty offence in a jurisdiction where you already have an active bounty then the bounty value is increased and the timer reset to seven days. If you gain a fine in the same jurisdiction then the bounty value is increased, but the timer is not reset.

An active bounty is resolved in one of the following ways: Firstly if a ship detects the bounty and destroys you then the bounty is claimed and removed. Secondly if your ship is destroyed, but the bounty is not detected then the following happens: The bounty becomes dormant and can only be detected by authority scans by agents of that jurisdiction and if detected will become an active bounty with a new seven day timer. If a dormant bounty is not detected within seven days then it is removed. If an active bounty is not claimed or made dormant within seven days then it will be cleared.


So my previous example (see above) - I've murdered X NPCs and have got a 120,000CR bounty (& I'm Wanted). After 7 days I can pay off that 120,000CR bounty (from any station). But what if I don't? It just sits there forever (unless I'm killed)?
 
So my previous example (see above) - I've murdered X NPCs and have got a 120,000CR bounty (& I'm Wanted). After 7 days I can pay off that 120,000CR bounty (from any station). But what if I don't? It just sits there forever (unless I'm killed)?

It disappears. I just lost my 700k bounty, which I'm quite disappointed about. I now have another 500k between two different jurisdictions nearby, but a lot of bounties I had just dropped off (they were due to go yesterday).
 
Sorry... I'm being dim...

So for PP I'm going to an enemy Power's Controlled system and killing their agents. For this I get a murder charge each time... Say 6000CR.

So let's say I do this 20 times, so accrue 120,000CR in a bounty, and of course have a Wanted status.


So after 7 days I can pay this 120,000CR fine to lose my Wanted status. And if I don't it just stays there forever?

From what I've read and how I understand it after 7 days the bounty becomes dormant - if not payed. Any scan from a security ship of the system that issued the bounty will reactivate that bounty. Committing more crimes will turn the dormant bounty into an active one and reset the timer. If you get enough bounties the bounty will turn into a faction wide bounty (so committing a lot of crimes in a system controlled by an Alliance minor faction will at some time result in an Alliance wide bounty).
If you get killed with a bounty or dormant bounty you will have to pay the bounty at the insurance screen (remember to have enough insurance money for the ship re-buy and the bounty).

As I wrote, that's how I understand the new bounty system.
 
It disappears. I just lost my 700k bounty, which I'm quite disappointed about. I now have another 500k between two different jurisdictions nearby, but a lot of bounties I had just dropped off (they were due to go yesterday).

What?

I'm so confused :(

So after seven days, your bounty (for killing people) becomes payable... At what point/how does it then just disappear? Another time period?

When someone mentioned this to me it did seem strange as I know some CMDRs are hell bent on accruing a huge bounty so I was sure just clearing it wasn't going to be a viable mechanic?!
 
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What?

I'm so confused :(

So after seven days, your bounty (for killing people) becomes payable... At what point/how does it then just disappear? Another time period?

When someone mentioned this to me it did seem strange as I know some CMDRs are hell bent on accruing a huge bounty so I was sure just clearing it wasn't going to be a viable mechanic?!

You quoted it yourself before:
If an active bounty is not claimed or made dormant within seven days then it will be cleared.

So, active or dormant,, if nobody kills you for 7 days (or that bounty isn't "topped up" by further criminal activity), it drops.
 
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It disappears. I just lost my 700k bounty, which I'm quite disappointed about. I now have another 500k between two different jurisdictions nearby, but a lot of bounties I had just dropped off (they were due to go yesterday).

Are you certain they haven't turned into legacy fines for the same amount?

According to dev posts, bounties turn into legacy fines for the same amount, if unclaimed for 7 days without you being destroyed.

And a legacy fine is added to your rebuy cost if you ever have to rebuy your ship in the legacy fine authority's jurisdiction, just like a bounty.

Maybe check the jurisdiction where you got the bounty? (and pay off the legacy fine if you have it!)

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What?

I'm so confused :(

So after seven days, your bounty (for killing people) becomes payable... At what point/how does it then just disappear? Another time period?

When someone mentioned this to me it did seem strange as I know some CMDRs are hell bent on accruing a huge bounty so I was sure just clearing it wasn't going to be a viable mechanic?!

According to the devs, it doesn't disappear - it should turn into a legacy fine of equal value... here's the quote from the crime dev post:

"Note that when a bounty is removed, for whatever reason, it is added as a legacy fine for the same amount and for the same jurisdiction. Legacy fines never expire and are automatically added to the rebuy cost if you restart in a station or outpost owned by that minor faction."
 
According to the devs, it doesn't disappear - it should turn into a legacy fine of equal value... here's the quote from the crime dev post:

"Note that when a bounty is removed, for whatever reason, it is added as a legacy fine for the same amount and for the same jurisdiction. Legacy fines never expire and are automatically added to the rebuy cost if you restart in a station or outpost owned by that minor faction."

Well, the matter simply isn't clear... Here's a quote:-

Whenever you commit a new bounty offence in a jurisdiction where you already have an active bounty then the bounty value is increased and the timer reset to seven days. If you gain a fine in the same jurisdiction then the bounty value is increased, but the timer is not reset.

An active bounty is resolved in one of the following ways: Firstly if a ship detects the bounty and destroys you then the bounty is claimed and removed. Secondly if your ship is destroyed, but the bounty is not detected then the following happens: The bounty becomes dormant and can only be detected by authority scans by agents of that jurisdiction and if detected will become an active bounty with a new seven day timer. If a dormant bounty is not detected within seven days then it is removed. If an active bounty is not claimed or made dormant within seven days then it will be cleared.

It implies the bounty will go dormant if your ship is destroyed (bounty not claimed).

The above quote states nothing about it disappearing by itself (which makes sense but what is JManis talking about then?), and even more strangely, not simply paying it off (yourself)!?!
 
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I would love if a dev could answer this question. I have over 5 million in bounties for smuggling imperial slaves out of stations where they were prohibited, but had over 100k available for purchase.
Also, I received most of these fines without seeing a ship scan message. Only the fine amount, so I am not sure if that is a bug as I have always been scanned before the fine notice.
 
Well, the matter simply isn't clear... Here's a quote:-



It implies the bounty will go dormant if your ship is destroyed (bounty not claimed).

The above quote states nothing about it disappearing by itself (which makes sense but what is JManis talking about then?), and even more strangely, not simply paying it off (yourself)!?!

Oh - right, just a sec. You're talking about dormant bounties, which isn't an active bounty. There's an important distinction.

So a bounty, active or dormant, when removed should become a legacy fine. So basically, that just means even when bounties disappear, they remain for you to pay to the relevant jurisdiction (or they'll forcibly be taken from you if you ever have to rebuy in their jurisdiction). There's no limit on the legacy fines, so you can run up gigantic legacy fines and then try to avoid being blown up in the fine-issuing jurisdictions' space if you don't want to be forced to pay them.

If you follow the dev posts in the crime thread (click on the orange elite symbol in the top right of each dev post to go to the next dev post in the thread) they do clarify a lot. It's a bit of a long haul to read so I'll try to get the relevant bits here:

An active bounty is one that is ticking down 7 days. It means the jurisdiction who issued it believe that you (the criminal) are alive, and they will pay their bounty to anyone who scans you to realise the bounty is there so they can bring a bounty claim voucher to the jurisdiction who issues it. However, when you blow up, you will also have a legacy fine of equal value to the bounty, and if you ever blow up in that jurisdiction again, they'll take that money from you during rebuy of your ship. The fine never goes away, unless you pay it.

A dormant bounty is what happens if you are blown up by some other authority, or by someone who isn't aware of the bounty from that jurisdiction. At that point, the jurisdiction believe you're dead after receiving news your ship blew up. The bounty becomes dormant.

If you're detected committing any kind of crime in that jurisdiction, they go 'WAIT A MINUTE YOURE NOT DEAD' and promptly make the bounty ACTIVE again and reset the timer to 7 days.

If an authority vessel of that jurisdiction scan you (and only them) while you have a dormant bounty, the same thing happens.

If a dormant bounty isn't reactivated within 7 days, it is removed, which means it becomes a legacy fine, just like in the other cases.

But in either case, if any bounty, dormant or active, gets to the end of the 7 days period, it WILL turn into a legacy fine that may come back to bite you later.

That's what the dev's have said, in any case.

So in my quote - the important part to note is "Note that when a bounty is removed, for whatever reason..." Any bounty that is, of any kind. You will always get stuck with a legacy fine, or should do.
 
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I would love if a dev could answer this question. I have over 5 million in bounties for smuggling imperial slaves out of stations where they were prohibited, but had over 100k available for purchase.
Also, I received most of these fines without seeing a ship scan message. Only the fine amount, so I am not sure if that is a bug as I have always been scanned before the fine notice.

Best not die in that system. Thats going to be a steep rebuy. No thats gets to be a high risk trading route.
 
my understanding of how the system works is as follows...

You get a bounty for murder, 7 days before it drops off
When it drops of it becomes a non expiring fine or dormant bounty but you are no longer showing as WANTED unless you get scanned by a ship in the system where you earned the bounty originally
If you get your ship destroyed through other means then the bounty becomes dormant.
If you get your ship destroyed and the bounty claimed, then the bounty is cleared.

My understanding of cleared bounties is they then become a non expiring fine which you can pay off...
If your ship was destroyed in a system where you had the bounty / have a bounty (dormant or current) or where the non expiring fine was first issued then you have the pay that money AS WELL on the ship insurance screen
 
Thank you. I have opened a ticket regarding this "fine" issue

I think you may be mixing up fines and bounties, which is understandable since before there was a certain fuzziness between them. What's happened now is that they're pretty sharply contrasted.

You cannot pay off a bounty. It isn't a fine. It's a reward a jurisdiction have placed on your head. They want you killed.

It lasts for 7 days, normally - an active one.

After 7 days, if you've avoided being bounty hunted, it will expire and be removed.

At that point it turns into a fine. A fine is something you have to pay, or you will end up forced to pay it at the rebuy screen if you blow up in their jurisdiction. There are fines for minor crimes like reckless flying that turn into bounties if not paid within the time limit. A fine you get when a bounty is removed is different. It is called a legacy fine. This is a fine that will never turn into a bounty, but it WILL last forever if it isn't paid.

So to take your OP example:

No, you cannot pay off the 6000 Cr bounty. Bounties cannot be paid off by you. They are money promised to other people if they kill you.

At the end of the 7 days, assuming the bounty was not claimed, it will be removed and a legacy fine of equal value will be put on your record. You can get rid of this by paying it off. If you don't, it will remain. If you blow up in their jurisdiction and end up having to rebuy a ship at one of their stations, they will first remove any outstanding legacy fines.

Legacy fines never clear themselves, and as far as I know, no bounties ever just 'disappear'. When a bounty is removed for any reason, it becomes a legacy fine.

Does that make sense?

On re-reading - my bad HipToss, you're talking about the horrific fines you've incurred because of bizarre Imperial Slave issues. I thought you were talking about fines and bounties. Sorry about that!
 
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