So you can't name even obvious hackers BUT

[Gorf]

Can you post video of the game that shows a CMDR name?

"Yeah - I was playing against CMDR Morbo yesterday and he was definitely hacking."
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I just named you even though we've never met in-game.
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You see why you can't name players? Any idiot with an axe to grind can come on the forum and lie about their experience. It brings griefing to the forum because the moderators then have to decide whether there's a case to answer, which is impossible without two honest sides to the story.
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A video is different because it shows everyone the evidence (or lack thereof) upon which you based your decision that your opponent is hacking/exploiting. If there's nothing to suggest that something is amiss, you can bet the collective will point that out.

 

[Lustan]

Every topic talking about hackers is just making it easier to search and make little whinny kids want to download hacks and start hackIng the game themselfs.

The devs are more than aware about the hacks, they even fixed some during alpha and beta, the hacks will be here you like it or not, but the less you make it obvious for people to search about it, the better for everyone.

Security through obscurity doesn't work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

 

[erbal]

Sorry guys, you're both wrong. Once you install software on your PC all that falls under "Your Stuff", YES you have to agree to abide by their EULA and TOS to "Play" the game, but as for editing stuff on "YOUR" computer it's legal. When you go to "Distribute" said software to others, THEN you are breaking the Law.. Please... Children, go ply your elsewheres.

This isn't event remotely true ... you do not own the game that you have purchased, you own a license to use the game within the confines of the licensing agreement. If you break out of that agreement then you are breaking the contract you have with the licensor, and are subject to any penalties they choose to impose.

Most likely that will be solo-mode, however it could be a ban or even in egregious circumstances you may find yourself at the pointy end of a fairly costly court case - they could seek to retrieve damages for the work they had to do to check up on your usage.

Just because you believe there are no possible sanctions does not mean that's the case.

 

[_Morbo_]

"Yeah - I was playing against CMDR Morbo yesterday and he was definitely hacking."
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I just named you even though we've never met in-game.
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You see why you can't name players? Any idiot with an axe to grind can come on the forum and lie about their experience. It brings griefing to the forum because the moderators then have to decide whether there's a case to answer, which is impossible without two honest sides to the story.
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A video is different because it shows everyone the evidence (or lack thereof) upon which you based your decision that your opponent is hacking/exploiting. If there's nothing to suggest that something is amiss, you can bet the collective will point that out.

That was my question...can you post video or is it also considered "naming and shaming".

 

[gazzareth]

That was my question...can you post video or is it also considered "naming and shaming".

Pretty sure it is considered naming and shaming.. .. ..

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[MatTheCat]

Some have figured out how to hack the client, giving them invulnerability and infinite ammo apparently.

It's infinite Ammo and Shield Cells......

Doesn't make you invincible from ramming or if you happen not to activate sheild cells in time.

I also believe that it is a bug that can 'just happen' to certain CMDRs. I came up against someone who had it and blew him up...but only due to a ramming incident.

 

[Ruskodisco]

yeah dude you cant stop hackers even "WOW" still has its problems actually any major online game more than likely has a person hacking it or attempting to hack it.

 

[Gorf]

That was my question...can you post video or is it also considered "naming and shaming".

Pretty sure it is considered naming and shaming.. .. ..

Can you explain what makes you sure about that? (Something like a quote from Michael will do)

Consider a "Here is a video of my latest demise" on YouTube. You didn't name the other party. FD did by saying "Your ship has been destroyed by CMDR [whatever]". All you did was post a recording.

Unless you have solid evidence to back up your accusation, there is no place for naming a CMDR on this forum because of the repercussions. Nobody likes it when a better player turns them into space dust - so how do the readers know that what has been typed is a true rendition of what happened? Did I just read about someone being griefed or someone who is just a sore loser?

 

[Skip Intro]

There is a comment from one of the mods saying that if you have video evidence of hacking, you can post the YouTube link.

EDIT: Found it on page 33 of the 'Just Met My First Hacker' Thread. You can thank me later.

Update on this one for you:

We've already penalised a number of players as a direct result of players posting information on here and in videos on Youtube.

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.

 

[Im_Lost]

I think you should be able to post names via a game of hangman. If we win we get the name to add to our ignore lists, if not we don't and the hacker gets hanged (banned) instead

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

There is a comment from one of the mods saying that if you have video evidence of hacking, you can post the YouTube link. I will dig it out, unless the thread has been nuked.

I WAS NOT a mod - their views carry no more weight than yours or mine. It was Edward's: and thus all the weight you could possibly want (it was in the 'Met my first hacker today' thread). FD have said post away. Mind you, the post was sufficiently imprecise that it was not clear if the posting had to be wholly outside this forum: it was not clear if you could post on youtube, and then link to the post in here, but I think not. The important thing is that you can post the evidence, and then link to the video in a report to ensure they get ritually disembowelled. Or was it a slap on the wrist? One or the other.

Edited for the quote:

Update on this one for you:

We've already penalised a number of players as a direct result of players posting information on here and in videos on Youtube.

Our name and shame policy won't apply to those bringing a Youtube video to our attention. If you do post a Youtube video or something outside of our own channels clearly displaying what looks like an exploit or hack of some kind, there won't be any ramification. Thanks.

he very carefully omitted to answer my question about drawing the line (or not) on griefing, however.

Nuisance is an, er, interesting word to use. I note that you carefully only said that they would not be accused of hacking. Well, fair enough. We should only accuse people of hacking with evidence, not 'I do not know how he did that so it must be a hack'. So far, so good.

However, many of us think that this 'nuisance' behaviour is griefing. What is FDs take on it? Do you draw the line between 'playing the psychopath' and griefing, and if so, where? Are these 'nuisances' being penalised for griefing, or is that all fair game to you. Lots of enquiring minds want to know you official position on this. DBOBE has made anti-griefing comments on videos. Are you, in fact, anti-griefing? Or are you going to just assume that the (thus far almost totally lacking) 'consequences' wis enough.

 

[Skip Intro]

I was remembering off the top of my head. Thanks for the clarification and getting the quote so quickly you ninja!

Yes, I also raised a quizzical eyebrow about the word 'nuisance'. I'm not a one for using the griefing word, but what was / is going on, shooting people inside a station is the ne plus ultra of griefing, in my opinion.

 

[Gorf]

... You can thank me later.

Thank you

Will have to Rep later - must have been pushing a bit too much of it your way, recently...