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villain

villain
Ladies and Gentlemen, excuse me if it was mentioned...
Whats happened to the Solar system details?
where the Jupiter red "dot" disappeared? The Storm is over in 3300 ?
where is Deimos and Phobos, Burned in 3299 bonfire night ?
why Io's surface is black and white?
Can we expect little bit more hand crafting in our solar system in the future ?
 
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HoshiQaVam

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The red spot isn't a permanent feature, it's a storm that we still don't understand, and since we don't yet fully understand what's fueling it, it's any one's guess as to how long it'll last. For all we know it could completely engulf Jupiter a 1000 years from now.

Clearly the current Jupiter was procedurally generated, as was all the other gas giants, and I doubt it'll stay that way. But it's also clear that this current Jupiter has a ring system, so that's where your missing moons are. Precisely how they have been pulverised is again any one's guess. Perhaps humans did it to make them easier to mine, or perhaps a very large Oort cloud object made it's way into the Solar system and brushed past Jupiter, knocking some of it's moons into a suicidal orbit. Either are quite plausible.

Same with Io. Clearly it's procedurally generated, and chances are it's just place holder. But again it's differences are quite easily explained by impacts, human activity, or both.

1000 years is often said to be a very short duration of time in cosmic terms, but that doesn't mean it can't see dramatic changes happen, especially when Humans are involved.
 

DWorth

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A lot of smaller bodies seem to be missing, (As well as Mars's two moons, lots of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn aren't there) my guess is that large asteroidal/irregular bodies will need to be added to the game before they are.
 

villain

villain
Fair enough but when I mentioned missing moons [ Deimos and Phobos ] I was sure they are on the Mars orbit not jupiter's.
Anyway thx for your answer :)
 

Steve_T

Steve_T
villain said:
Fair enough but when I mentioned missing moons [ Deimos and Phobos ] I was sure they are on the Mars orbit not jupiter's.
Anyway thx for your answer :)
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I thought that Earth and Mars had been completely re-authored. Hopefully they're still work in progress as well as all the other bodies in the Sol system.
 

Michael Brookes

Game Director
HoshiQaVam said:
The red spot isn't a permanent feature, it's a storm that we still don't understand, and since we don't yet fully understand what's fueling it, it's any one's guess as to how long it'll last. For all we know it could completely engulf Jupiter a 1000 years from now.

Clearly the current Jupiter was procedurally generated, as was all the other gas giants, and I doubt it'll stay that way. But it's also clear that this current Jupiter has a ring system, so that's where your missing moons are. Precisely how they have been pulverised is again any one's guess. Perhaps humans did it to make them easier to mine, or perhaps a very large Oort cloud object made it's way into the Solar system and brushed past Jupiter, knocking some of it's moons into a suicidal orbit. Either are quite plausible.

Same with Io. Clearly it's procedurally generated, and chances are it's just place holder. But again it's differences are quite easily explained by impacts, human activity, or both.

1000 years is often said to be a very short duration of time in cosmic terms, but that doesn't mean it can't see dramatic changes happen, especially when Humans are involved.
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Mars and Earth are the only surfaces we're currently using custom textures for. We'll adjust the procedural system to better represent the other bodies where we can.

Michael
 

trekman

trekman
HoshiQaVam said:
Clearly the current Jupiter was procedurally generated, as was all the other gas giants, and I doubt it'll stay that way. But it's also clear that this current Jupiter has a ring system, so that's where your missing moons are.
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this remark. Are you suggesting that Jupiter having a ring system is wrong? If you are suggesting this then its you thats wrong Jupiter irl does have a ring system as do all the gas giants in our solar system. The problem with them in the game is that they are too bright. I saw a twitch stream the other night showing them also made of an icy material and this is also wrong. Jupiters rings are very dark and made mostly of dust.
 

MaxTheLimit

MaxTheLimit
A lot of smaller bodies seem to be missing, (As well as Mars's two moons, lots of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn aren't there) my guess is that large asteroidal/irregular bodies will need to be added to the game before they are.
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If the tidal forces of Jupiter eventually ripped apart Europa and some of the other small bodies around Jupiter, it might make the rings more...'vibrant'. Just spit balling here, but Europa is mostly ice. It alone might not be enough to brighten up the rings too much, but if Jupiter were trapping a lot of icy comets as well. Who knows?

I'm guessing it is just a quirk of the procedural system though :p
 

Kaspur

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Michael Brookes said:
Mars and Earth are the only surfaces we're currently using custom textures for. We'll adjust the procedural system to better represent the other bodies where we can.

Michael
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I was under the impression that the solar system would be handcrafted, why then use precious development hours on generating it procedurally? Also, I think it would be a big miss to generate the solar system, since we basically know everything about it. An Elite solar system that is different from the real deal would be a big immersion-breaker for me.
 

Dogmeat

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Kaspur said:
I was under the impression that the solar system would be handcrafted, why then use precious development hours on generating it procedurally?
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The bits that were generated procedurally = NO developer hours spent on them. I think that's the point. Maybe they'll get round to the rest of the Sol system later?
 

Sacman

Sacman
Kaspur said:
I was under the impression that the solar system would be handcrafted, why then use precious development hours on generating it procedurally? Also, I think it would be a big miss to generate the solar system, since we basically know everything about it. An Elite solar system that is different from the real deal would be a big immersion-breaker for me.
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Yes ... but only just another immersion breaker on the list.
 

Michael Brookes

Game Director
Kaspur said:
I was under the impression that the solar system would be handcrafted, why then use precious development hours on generating it procedurally? Also, I think it would be a big miss to generate the solar system, since we basically know everything about it. An Elite solar system that is different from the real deal would be a big immersion-breaker for me.
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The system is set up by hand using real data.

Michael
 

HoshiQaVam

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villain said:
Fair enough but when I mentioned missing moons [ Deimos and Phobos ] I was sure they are on the Mars orbit not jupiter's.
Anyway thx for your answer :)
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My bad, I didn't actually read the names, I assumed you was still talking about Jupiter :p

trekman said:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this remark. Are you suggesting that Jupiter having a ring system is wrong? If you are suggesting this then its you thats wrong Jupiter irl does have a ring system as do all the gas giants in our solar system. The problem with them in the game is that they are too bright. I saw a twitch stream the other night showing them also made of an icy material and this is also wrong. Jupiters rings are very dark and made mostly of dust.
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Yes Jupiter has a ring system, but it's so non-existent you could argue that just about all planets have ring systems of some form, even Earth (from man-made debris). What I meant is that in-game Jupiter's ring system is visible. Look at the system map and you'll see what I mean - Jupiter Neptune and Uranus all have rings that are identical to Saturn.

So sure they have ring systems, but they're so difficult to see that it's somewhat errneous to show a ring system graphic with the planet.
 

CMDR Sheehy

CMDR Sheehy
The spots on Jupiter are not permanent and are constantly changing, sometimes making the spot hard to see. See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11837868 and http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/solarsystem/solar_system_highlights/atmosphere_of_jupiter

Phobos is actually lower that geostationary-orbit and rises in the west, sets in the east, and is ultimately doomed. If I were planning the colonisation/reseeding of Mars in the long distant future, removal of Phobos might be on high my list. You don't want rogue asteroids messing with your cable TV satellites!!!

Thank's Michael. Looking forward to the tweaks.
 

villain

villain
anthonycsheehy said:
The spots on Jupiter are not permanent and are constantly changing, sometimes making the spot hard to see. See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11837868 and http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/solarsystem/solar_system_highlights/atmosphere_of_jupiter

Phobos is actually lower that geostationary-orbit and rises in the west, sets in the east, and is ultimately doomed. If I were planning the colonisation/reseeding of Mars in the long distant future, removal of Phobos might be on high my list. You don't want rogue asteroids messing with your cable TV satellites!!!

Thank's Michael. Looking forward to the tweaks.
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That's good point, just wonder where both moons are. I think that I saw them in Elite: First Encounters...
 
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