Species identity of the Galapagos giant tortoises

I was looking on the IUCN Red List and have noticed that the Galapagos giant tortoise Chelonoidis nigra no longer exists - they are now using an updated classification that has split it up into fourteen species, many with rather different appearances. I have decided to try, as best as possible, to narrow down which animal the Planet Zoo tortoises represent so that changes could be made.

The current Galapagos giant tortoise image on the Zoopedia has some good identification markers - the shell is domed, with a slight upflick at the front of the shell and protruding scutes at the front of the shell with gaps between each. The Zoopedia also mentions these tortoises having a wild population of about 900 individuals.

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Immediately able to be discounted are the three species classified as extinct or possibly extinct. These are the Pinta, Floreana and Fernandina (although the latter may have recently bee rediscovered, there are probably only single figures in terms of surviving animals); all have saddlebacked shells and so were also morphologically distinct.

Another five living species also have saddlebacked shells and can be ruled out from further consideration - these are the Wolf Volcano, Sierra Negra, Pinzon, Espanola and Alcedo giant tortoises.

Another two tortoises, the Santiago and San Cristobal, do not have a full saddleback shell but are intermediate between this and the domed shells seen in the Planet Zoo tortoises which allows them to be ruled out as well.

This leaves just four species of dome-shelled giant tortoise. These are the endangered Darwin Volcano giant tortoise (global population of 500-1,000), the endangered Cerro Azul giant tortoise (1,800-2,700 individuals), the critically endangered Don Fausto's giant tortoise (population of 550) and the critically endangered Santa Cruz giant tortoise (population of 3,400).

The scutes around the lip of the shell appear too rounded to be from Don Fausto's, which has sharper-looking scutes in life:
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The scutes are smaller and more abundant than in the Darwin Volcano tortoise, with the divisions between each scute less pronounced:
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The Cerro Azul giant tortoise is potentially a very close match to the Planet Zoo animal:
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While there is a lot of variation in the scute pattern around the shell lip in Santa Cruz giant tortoises, they are also a close match to the animal in the game (male on the left, female on the right):
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Personally, I feel the animal should be changed to the Santa Cruz giant tortoise Chelonioidis porteri; not only is this a very close match in terms of appearance but it is the only Galapagos giant tortoise where multiple individuals classified to this species are kept outside of Ecuador.

In terms of changes, there would need to be very little - common and scientific names, the IUCN status, population and possibly the distribution map. I hope that these changes are small enough to be workable in the game, as it would help improve the realism regarding these animals.

All the images and information regarding the different tortoises can be found on this website:
 
Very interesting. I never knew any of this (well, besides the late Lonesome George). I think it's totally reasonable to do this. Wasn't there something similar with the wolves, making them Timber Wolves?
 
If they are going to start with individual animal variations I would say do it for every single sub species, otherwise why focus and put this much effort into just one species?

If we get galapagos tortoise variations then give us crocodile variation, peafowl variation, brown bear variation etc.
 
If they are going to start with individual animal variations I would say do it for every single sub species, otherwise why focus and put this much effort into just one species?

If we get galapagos tortoise variations then give us crocodile variation, peafowl variation, brown bear variation etc.
But variations is not what the OP is suggesting. See below:

Personally, I feel the animal should be changed to the Santa Cruz giant tortoise Chelonioidis porteri; not only is this a very close match in terms of appearance but it is the only Galapagos giant tortoise where multiple individuals classified to this species are kept outside of Ecuador.

In terms of changes, there would need to be very little - common and scientific names, the IUCN status, population and possibly the distribution map. I hope that these changes are small enough to be workable in the game, as it would help improve the realism regarding these animals.
They're asking to revise the scientific name and information of the in-game Galapagos tortoise because the taxonomic classification has changed based on scientific evidence. What once was one species is now considered 14 different species, each of them isolated in different islands.

Nice topic @Cynogale bennettii
 
But variations is not what the OP is suggesting. See below:


They're asking to revise the scientific name and information of the in-game Galapagos tortoise because the taxonomic classification has changed based on scientific evidence. What once was one species is now considered 14 different species, each of them isolated in different islands.

Nice topic @Cynogale bennettii

Oh I think I understand now, I really misunderstood before.

If it's as simple as changing nigra to porteri then I completely support the idea, they seem like they've put a great deal of thought into it.
 
You did a great job with these anaylisis! But to be honest, I don't see any sense in doing that. Exporting tortoises from Galápagos is almost impossible, the ones we have in captivity are mostly hybrids, which serve only as ambassadors for the wild ones (and breeding them really isn't an easy task, in Europe only one zoo does in a regular basis).
Long story short, I don't think there's a need to change the name, it would make much more sense for other species (lions, zebras), but it would be nice to see a small information about speciation of the Galápagos Islands.
 
Very interesting. I never knew any of this (well, besides the late Lonesome George). I think it's totally reasonable to do this. Wasn't there something similar with the wolves, making them Timber Wolves?
Yeah, the in-game classification of the wolves is very confusing.

It's listed with the binomial Canis lupus (no subspecies), marking it as the generic grey wolf, but the common name 'Timber wolf' is most commonly applied to the occidentalis subspecies, i.e. the Northwestern wolf. In one of the scenarios it is named as the Northwestern wolf, but that can be explained away (Canis lupus can really be a placeholder for any wolf subspecies).

It wasn't an issue until we got the Arctic wolf Canis lupus arctos. Now it's become a classification inconsistency, but Frontier has never addressed it, so I doubt it will ever be changed. In some ways it's kind of good, because some people prefer North American wolves and others prefer the Eurasian wolf, and the in-game wolf resembles both to certain extents, and while it's a generic wolf it can be either.

Of course there are other classification failures; the tigers both belong to the same subspecies according to modern science (there are only two - the mainland tiger Panther tigris tigris and the Sunda tiger Panther tigris sondaica). Same with lions - Panther leo leo, the northern lion, and Panthera leo melanochaita, the southern lion. It's not as bad with the lions though because zoos and the ICUN do differentiate between 'subpopulations' which are genetically identical but morphologically distinct.
 
It wasn't an issue until we got the Arctic wolf Canis lupus arctos. Now it's become a classification inconsistency, but Frontier has never addressed it, so I doubt it will ever be changed. In some ways it's kind of good, because some people prefer North American wolves and others prefer the Eurasian wolf, and the in-game wolf resembles both to certain extents, and while it's a generic wolf it can be either.
I really wish they'd just pick a specific subspecies... it's especially annoying when it comes to wolves and reindeer and other such animals where different subspecies can have extremely different appearances...
 
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