State of GPU markets

_bryan

_bryan
CPU: AMD 1950X
GPU: AMD 5700 XT
HMD: Index

Hi folks,

I played a little with my settings, and eventually came back to mostly medium settings in game. Steam VR has two settings now: 1st the one that says the FPS which I set to 80 and another FPS limiter which I had to set to 40 (instead of auto). Otherwise I get stuttering on rare occasion.

Then I wondered what is the price of the next GPU which looks to be AMD 5900 XT. When I bought this one it was maybe $900 or in that range. But the GPUs right now are all about $2k which is about double. I even looked up my old AMD RX 580 and it is $1k which is double what I paid for it years ago. So I feel like I could sell that on ebay and make a killing.

Does anybody know the reason the GPUs are more expensive right now? And when they might come back to normal a bit?

V/r,
Bryan
 

SpocksOddSocks

SpocksOddSocks
The reason is to do with a bubble in crypto currency mining, which means bots are buying up graphics cards for financial "games" and ruining the market for the rest of us. Ethereum is likely to become unviable for graphics card processing soon. What happens with the market after that is uncertain.

It's possible the market will be flooded with second hand cards, but price is still uncertain.
 

_bryan

_bryan
I see. That might be good for us if in the future people decide to unload these things on ebay. Maybe I can get my next upgrade cheaper that way.
 

GroG79

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Oh nvidia with your great marketing machine...

They still use the same chip fabs; mining card or not. AMD or Nvidia. There are chip shortages everywhere. Car manufactures have been shutting down factories due to chip shortages. They can not complete what they can build without the needed chips. It will last for a long time.

rx580 for a 1000$ btw.. Must be a random person.. I can not find a 580 for a 1000 (590 owner here)
 

_bryan

_bryan
GroG79 said:
rx580 for a 1000$ btw.. Must be a random person.. I can not find a 580 for a 1000 (590 owner here)
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Are you saying the rx580 is going for higher or lower than 1k? Maybe I looked up the wrong thing, I was just on amazon.
 

GroG79

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as quoted above by you "I even looked up my old AMD RX 580 and it is $1k"

Cause that seems highly unlikely; But Id happily quadruple my money I spend on this card one a year ago :)
 

Jakester13

Jakester13
This peaked my interest, so I just watched an MSI GFX 970 go for £185 on eBay...
A couple of years ago when I upgraded my 970s to a 1070ti, iirc the going rate for a used 970 on eBay was around £100.
Money for old chips, eh!
o7
 

Templar01

Templar01
SpocksOddSocks said:
The reason is to do with a bubble in crypto currency mining, which means bots are buying up graphics cards for financial "games" and ruining the market for the rest of us. Ethereum is likely to become unviable for graphics card processing soon. What happens with the market after that is uncertain.

It's possible the market will be flooded with second hand cards, but price is still uncertain.
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You are absolutely correct but also don't forget the scalpers and manufacturer price fixing. Add to that the fact that Add-in-card manufacturers like MSI were already caught scalping their own products on eBay which has driven cost up as well.

I follow the GPU market as almost a second hobby. As a system builder and Space Sim/VR player, from experience I can say that it's what can make or break the game.

I never go for a graphics card during the first year. The reasons are twofold.
  • The first is that all too often the cards are rushed to market before the bugs are worked out. Anyone following the stability debacle with the RTX 3080 will know what I mean. What a disaster that's been.
  • The second reason is that it's a sucker's game to buy right out of the shoot. You never get what you actually pay for. Why do I say that? Simple, does it make sense to pay $1,500 vs $600 for only 20% increase in performance? Unless the game one is playing takes advantage of the special features of the next technology, the answer is no.

Koot Katmandu said:
Well Nvida is now making bit coin mining cards and blocking their reuse and gaming cards.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfIibTBaoMM
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That's only true for the RTX 3060. The 3060 is still in the sweet spot whereby it's power consumption is below the break-even point for crypto mining. The problem is, this NVidia story is a sham. The YouTube video from Linus that you linked to points this out.

The beauty of ED is that it doesn't call for latest and greatest graphics card technology. As an example, ray tracing - which is the big benefit to the RTX 30 series - really has no good role in space sims of any kind. Nor FPS titles either. In fact, outside of water or chrome reflections in certain AAA titles, I haven't seen a good use-case for ray tracing at all.

What galls me about all this E is that NVidia's RTX 30 series marketing hype was all about that at launch date, one would be able to buy a card that was 2X the performance of the GTX 10 series for far less money than the original GTX 10 series was at launch. This would have been true if they didn't screw up the launch in such a monumental fashion. MSRP is indeed less than the GTX 10 series was in 2016/17 but you can't get one at almost any price, so what's the point of MSRP?
 

_bryan

_bryan
Templar01 said:
The beauty of ED is that it doesn't call for latest and greatest graphics card technology.
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I found that I am happy turning off shadows completely. I'm sick of messing with which quality shadow I can get in which part of the game, so I just figured until they can draw them right all the time I'll just live without.
 

SpocksOddSocks

SpocksOddSocks
Templar01 said:
You are absolutely correct but also don't forget the scalpers and manufacturer price fixing.
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I wasn't aware of the manufacturer price fixing, but I was kind of thinking of scalping being included in the "financial games".
[*]The second reason is that it's a sucker's game to buy right out of the shoot. You never get what you actually pay for. Why do I say that? Simple, does it make sense to pay $1,500 vs $600 for only 20% increase in performance? Unless the game one is playing takes advantage of the special features of the next technology, the answer is no.
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Indeed. The most I've ever spent on a graphics card is £220. That's what I paid for a 1060 6gb just as they were on the out. Even that felt frivolous at the time, I nearly got the 1050ti for 150. I'm glad I spent the extra now, seeing that anything better than the 1050ti is now out of my price range, and even they are seeking for more than I paid for the 1060.
 

CMDR Dizzy

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GroG79 said:
Oh nvidia with your great marketing machine...

They still use the same chip fabs; mining card or not. AMD or Nvidia. There are chip shortages everywhere. Car manufactures have been shutting down factories due to chip shortages. They can not complete what they can build without the needed chips. It will last for a long time.

rx580 for a 1000$ btw.. Must be a random person.. I can not find a 580 for a 1000 (590 owner here)
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Car manufacture have spent a great deal of effort to hold absolutely minimal inventories of chips and to pay the minimum price. Strangely the chip manufacturers have found much more profitable industries to sell chips too.
 

aXeL

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Last night, just because I was bored, I sat outside a Coriolis, playing with graphics settings for the 18 billionth time, as we all do now and again. In the end I left most, not all, settings; material, texture, env, fx related etc. on their lowest settings because turning them to Ultra changed my view of the station not one whit except to hurt performance. Interestingly with just about everything else on lowest, I turned shadows to Ultra and had no discernible loss in performance. Ergo, I'm very happy driving my Reverb with my aged 1080Ti and I see no need to upgrade anything on my PC much less fork out for the insane prices being touted. Even seems to cope with MSFS quite happily with all the Photogrammetry turned up.

I'm pretty sure though if I drop into a ring system I'll get that stupid interlacing effect just because I didn't max out the texture/material settings. Terrain settings I left on high because the difference is obvious. Always found it odd though, looking at stations and ships, I've never noticed a difference between Lowest and Ultra, for most settings. I wondered if a frame by frame comparison would show the difference but then I don't play in 'screenshot' mode so that's moot really.

Doubtless anyone chasing numbers would bemoan it's performance but I don't play 'numbers' either so couldn't give a rats butt.

I had looked at a 3090 and thought, would it be nice to have one, sure. Forget the scalping prices, would it be £1000 nice to have? Not even close. And the only way I'm spending £2k on a GPU is if it puts me in the 'actual' spaceship.

If I had £2k laying around that I didn't want to invest, I'd pay Boris Vorontsov to come up with some sort of VR Anisotropic Super-sample injector so we can all stick with our current cards and the scalpers can go f... <insert word> themselves.

There's an idea, let's Kickstarter him :D. We'll make the stretch goal a Vulkan VR mod for X4. With all the big VR fans out there and we put in a pound each, we might raise £8 :sneaky:
 

_bryan

_bryan
aXeL said:
Doubtless anyone chasing numbers would bemoan it's performance
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I found that I set the Index on 80, and then that extra little FPS max to 40, everything works really nicely. I can set HMD quality to 1.5 and it runs at 40 everywhere in game.

I do not see in ED the point of having 90 or 120 FPS. In a shooter having 90 is basically required, but ED is a slow-moving game more like a flight sim. 40 seems okay to me. But I'm new-ish to ED. I guess it might be 40 each eye for a total of 80, I'm not sure what that second slider means but if I put it to 80 the game gets choppy, so I keep to 40, and the little OSD counter also says 40.
 

Hooplah

Hooplah
This is not a VR reply but might be of value.

Oct 2019 I purchased a MSI Gaming Geforce GTX 1660 ti for $286.44 plus tax on Amazon. It's pushing pixels to an Acer Predator 34" curved widescreen (3440 x 1440 120hz) and is awesome running ED in ultra mode even with Windows 7 OS on an 8 year old PC. I thought it to be an awesome value at the time.

Today I looked up it up on Amazon and and the cost is $899.99. Good grief.

Here's the rub. I looked up "gaming computer gtx 1660 ti" on Amazon and found pages of them starting around $1100.00. For the cost a new computer would probably be better.

HOTAS prices are also going nuts. I just bought a VKB Gladiator NXT for $150.00 plus shipping replacing an X-56 grey joystick that is wearing out. Maybe I should get another one before it triples in price. :)
 
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