Steam Machines and the evolution of PC Gaming!

Well my pc is permanently setup in my lounge. I only go to the batcave to sleep.
These steam rig things may take off - or they may not...Time will tell.
There certainly appears to be a market for them.
 
Is there a market for them?

How many users does Steam have? There's the beginning of a market.

I just took a screen of Steam users online. Over 6 million on a Tuesday afternoon....

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But what value are they getting, they can already use steam on cheaper hardware that performs better, the steam consoles are fashion items. There is a potential market for that, but I haven't seen that it exists yet.
Steam on tablet maybe the developing area.
 
How many users does Steam have? There's the beginning of a market.

not really, people using Steam are using PC already. They expect get some people from xbox/ps market share. Steambox should be Easy-to-use PC. Not much more.

My "problem" with it the same as with current consoles: the controller, effectively crippling one's ability to actually control most of games. But if there has to be such device it's good it's PC based.

Other then that I don't care in what room I will use hiFOV Occulus :)
 
But what value are they getting, they can already use steam on cheaper hardware that performs better, the steam consoles are fashion items. There is a potential market for that, but I haven't seen that it exists yet.
Steam on tablet maybe the developing area.

What hardware? A Steam Box is essentially a pc that will work like a console. Consoles have minimalist operating systems. Because of that, they can get a lot more out of their hardware. DirectX dramatically impacts a Windows pc's performance and developers waste a lot of resources on it which can affect a games outcome.

Valve has already said you can make your own Steam Machine and the OS is free. So you'll be able to upgrade, etc..
 
When SteamOS beta was released - I couldn't wait to slap it on my AMD build.

I didn't realise it required an Nvidia card at this stage though, so it's going to have to wait :(

I'm looking forward to trying it out though. Linux seems to run much smoother than Windows, and I think we'll see some nice performance gains for the same hardware.

For example - my ancient Acer netbook - even running XP it's a bit sluggish. Put Linux Mint on it - and everything runs buttery smooth, but of course it's still limited by the Atom hardware.
 
IL-2 is a flight sim.
It does the flight model, and flap levels, gear, air brake, power, rudder control, aileron.
And cannon and bombs!
Actually that is a solid example of what people worry about bringing specialist games out on more mainstream hardware.

Il2 is a hardcore Sim on pc . Whilst on console it is still a Sim by all accounts (I admit I only played on PC) the console game is simplified. Same with baldurs gate.

It isn't that other formats CANT run the game at some level and if at some point in the future it comes out on them then fab, but an almost simultanious release will give the temptation to make a generic version for all.

Edit sorry I thought this was the tablet thread
 
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Actually that is a solid example of what people worry about bringing specialist games out on more mainstream hardware.

Il2 is a hardcore Sim on pc . Whilst on console it is still a Sim by all accounts (I admit I only played on PC) the console game is simplified. Same with baldurs gate.

It's a hardcore sim on PS3. It has the same mode option as PC. IE You are cruising along at a decent speed in a plane, you push the joystick to the left or right and you spin out and die. It requires really practised joystick movements to stop the plane from killing you within a few mm of control travel. I owned the game on the PC too, and it feels harder on my console. In fact to even enjoy the game and be able to shoot planes or just turn the plane around I have turned realistic mode off just to stop it spinning out. The "hardcore" is there. It's difficult just to follow the winding line of a valley at low level. The last time I played it on PC was in 2002 on a decent PC, a PS3 is way more powerful than a 2002 spec PC, it can do all the original physics.
 
It's a hardcore sim on PS3. It has the same mode option as PC. IE You are cruising along at a decent speed in a plane, you push the joystick to the left or right and you spin out and die. It requires really practised joystick movements to stop the plane from killing you within a few mm of control travel. I owned the game on the PC too, and it feels harder on my console. In fact to even enjoy the game and be able to shoot planes or just turn the plane around I have turned realistic mode off just to stop it spinning out. The "hardcore" is there. It's difficult just to follow the winding line of a valley at low level. The last time I played it on PC was in 2002 on a decent PC, a PS3 is way more powerful than a 2002 spec PC, it can do all the original physics.

Its Il2: Birds of Prey and is about the same level as War Thunder, definitely not arcade (if chosen not to be), but falls short of being labelled "hardcore". Also, we shouldn't ever relate difficulty to realism...

Here is a good review

I have it on PC, but would certainly get it for PS3 or console if I had one.

I am also on Il2: Battle of Stalingrad Alpha, from what I have seen so far its going to be a game changer for WW2 sims. Also backed DCS WW2, only played with the Mustang, but that's also intense with every switch actually working.

Elite Dangerous would certainly be a welcome sight on Steambox! That means we'd get a Linux port :D. Elite will be viable to play on any controller though.
 
Steam OS and steambox is nothing more then result of Valve hate against MS's move to imitate aplestore with a windows store. And become a direct competor of Valve steam. That why they very activly and agressivky go for Linux. Not Mac!

WiiU PS3 Xbox360 PS4 XB1 are mostly valued by how much exclusive of popular or musthave games there are avaible. PS3 and 360 are the biggest there and PS4 is just starting just like XB1. WiiU still running bit behind those new comers

For PC it is for masses of gamers.
Exclusives :
Windows >> ( Mac == Linux )

Games take over the OS UI so OS is only relevant by cost or performance or uniek features

Steam OS and linux is more for ( non ) gamer who put there windows hate above everything.

So windows ruling with large exclusives is ignored by hate.

So from gamers point if view steam OS and linux is a windows haters thing.

The only thing I am interresting is how well steam controler make pure PC keyb mouse games playble on bigpicture or TV play. Games who tradition gamepad does not work well for.

But to me my two big tower game rigs are in the living room. While others watch TV I game on my PC or PS3 on the PC monitor. And a TV decoder on one of my monitors.

Got two monitors in living room with twoo PC linked to both so multimon capale and PS3 and tv encoder.
The main livingroom TV got PS3 as BR and WiiU.

Linux and steamOS make sense if there are some must have exclusives on it. there are non yet. Might be or some while and think only Valvo could go for that.
Make sense if you want to play the keybmouse like heavyRTS games not suitable for gamepad but then with the steamcontroler. Wich with the very much larger windows exclusives steam libary get playable on bigpicture mode.

Steam machines are just PC with a console indetity crisis.

Btw will ED be released on steam? Any official word on that?
 
Steam OS and steambox is nothing more then result of Valve hate against MS's move to imitate aplestore with a windows store. And become a direct competor of Valve steam. That why they very activly and agressivky go for Linux. Not Mac!

To be frank, Valve made this move because when releasing Windows 8 Microsoft openly said they don't care that much about gaming on Windows anymore. New lines of XBox One exclusives only (usually released on Windows afterwards) and stagnation of DirectX kinda shows that. There are lot of other, smaller details too.

In this case Linux is just a platform which is very open and easily tunable, just perfect for Valve's idea of PC console.

WiiU PS3 Xbox360 PS4 XB1 are mostly valued by how much exclusive of popular or musthave games there are avaible. PS3 and 360 are the biggest there and PS4 is just starting just like XB1. WiiU still running bit behind those new comers

Nope, not really. Recent research shows that exclusives really don't play that big role of long term health of consoles anymore. In fact, they are just important for early adopters, and can give very misguided figures about what buying audience actually want.

Wii U actually brings profit to Nitendo. They have completely different business plan and it works. Remember, it is not all about looking at the top of the hill, it is all about cold hard cash. MS is still *losing* money on XBox series.

For PC it is for masses of gamers.
Exclusives :
Windows >> ( Mac == Linux )

And that's what Valve working to change. They are actively support development and porting games to OpenGL, which are both viable and usable on Mac OS X and Linux platforms. Will they succeed - I don't know - but it is interesting process nevertheless.

Remember, Steam is still released and supported Windows. It is still Valve's major lifeline. They are just looking for alternatives, which is wise thing to do.

Games take over the OS UI so OS is only relevant by cost or performance or uniek features

Steam OS and linux is more for ( non ) gamer who put there windows hate above everything.

So windows ruling with large exclusives is ignored by hate.

So from gamers point if view steam OS and linux is a windows haters thing.

Not really. You must check out Linux sometime - Ubuntu Linux and Fedora both looks very capable of just doing their jobs. It is work done not out of hatred against something, but for love of doing open source available to common user. Most people doing work on Linux are hired to do so - just code goes back trough licensing in open source, and thus is available freely for everyone to use and to share.

As for games - most of Linux gamers are quite fine with their current set of choices. There's lot to choose from. Most of Linux gamers enjoy what's offered. Yeah, we don't have regular EA titles released for Linux platform, but some people might see it not as disadvantage.

The only thing I am interresting is how well steam controler make pure PC keyb mouse games playble on bigpicture or TV play. Games who tradition gamepad does not work well for.

Feedback so far indicates that Valve have good controller there. Will it have capabilities to mitigate disappearance of keyboard and mouse it is hard to say, but lot of PC games already support XBox 360 type of controllers, so I think there's some bigger movement in that direction than just fancy new Steam controller.

Anyway, skepticism is justified, and we will see how things will turn out. Still, I am giving Valve props for trying this. When they announced this, I was highely skeptical, because we have seen such things come and go. However when they released real prototypes for gamers to play with, it seems they are serious about this. I am wishing good luck and might even try to support it anyway I can.
 

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stagnation of DirectX kinda shows that.

This statement is not true. MS have quashed every rumour about Dx going defunct and in fact are telling their partners that it is the strategic unifying API for all MS devices including mobile and console. The latest version of Dx came out with Win 8.1.

It is fair to say that right now Dx 11.2 covers everything that is required and is very mature, so the release cycle is not aggressive.

There is a difference between a strategically managed portfolio and stagnation.
 
...Steam OS and linux is more for ( non ) gamer who put there windows hate above everything...

I agree with some of what you've said , but not all. Steam OS will get lots of titles from Indie Developers. Steam has a huge indie game catalog and following.

I have little doubt they will release Half-Life 3 on Steam OS first then Windows, with the official announcement and release of the Steam Machine. Expect it sometime fall 2014...
 
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