Stolen Goods vs. Salvage

Rearden

Rearden
Heathy said:
I must have been lucky, i've actually seen the 'ship scan detected' hit silent running and ducked into the station, it all works on line of sight so yeah. what i meant to say is if you have silent running on you can't be targeted.
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Again, I'll refer to my signature link (hey I need someone to bump it once in a while ;)) but this is not true: You can indeed be targeted while in silent running - it depends on distance and sensor quality.
 

Hethwill_Khan

Hethwill_Khan
BadSector said:
It makes absolutely no sense that you cannot keep what you found, i can get it if the items are illegal and/or stolen but otherwise: founders keepers. its called a common sense. You can read about salvage rights
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_salvage
"The law of salvage is a concept in maritime law which states that a person who recovers another person's ship or cargo after peril or loss at sea is entitled to a reward commensurate with the value of the property so saved."
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Agreed.

How do you balance Salvaging and Smuggling then ?
 

Hethwill_Khan

Hethwill_Khan
illegal = stolen regarding fines.

Let's say you tage them as "safe for salvaging" or "not stolen" or "not illegal".

Surely not at the same prices as Traders and Smugglers deal with, right ?

You see, there is a trade off for the aforementioned.

Traders might have a boring lazy life doing their runs, but they can be jumped upon and well, they can't really fight in a truck and running away is a gamble. Their turn on is profit.

Smugglers, oh boy, free stuff lying around and left behind...I take the risk of running the gauntlets to sell it. I sell what I can find not what I want, so I cannot be that selective. Reward is close to 100% profit for a small cargo.

How would Salvagers work ? Which turn off will they have ?
 

EtherDragon

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I just wanted to focus on one of your assumptions:

Darque said:
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I have read what people are posting about this, and there appears to be a general hue and cry for a change in this mechanic.

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It's just as likely you have read the opinions of a vocal minority as anything. I do NOT agree that these should be considered salvage. They are illegal - simple as that. If you know your surroundings, find a place to move them to is super simple - and basically free money.

For me, I prefer the challenge of having to pick them up and figure out how to smuggle them in, if needed.
 

NothingCrazy

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Balance smuggling?

How do you balance smuggling? Easy, make wanted ships drop normal goods that they do now, except not flagged as stolen. Make non-wanted drop higher value goods that can only be sold at the black market. The risk vs reward on smuggling is a little anemic as is, IMO anyway.
 

BadSector

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Well, the black markets are "tax free" and that's why they are cheaper and of course illegal. "Just a side note" Anyways, i suspect that traders will make god know how much more profit than any "treasure hunter" so i don't see any issue here. But perhaps its a failure on my part :)
 

Darque

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Well at the end of the day I have found hunting and killing pirates to net a lot more cr and a lot faster than "salvaging" anyway, with no risk of getting scanned and fined while carrying stolen cargo.

Thanks for all of the responses, even those of you who were a bit douchy about it. :)
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
MACMAN86 said:
For me using Silent Running never works but running in fast does. It is wrong for all goods to be classed as stolen when the game knows if you had to kill for the cargo or not. This needs fixing!
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You really have to keep reminding yourself that Elite: Dangerous is a simulation. When a ship purchases cargo the cargo gets tagged as belonging to that ship. Think of it as an RFID. The ship gets blown up but the cargo survives. The cargo is still marked as belonging to the original owner. How does the cargo cannister know that it didn't get pirated?
Here's an example: CMDR Piratey Pirate swoops in and kills CMDR Victim after hitting him with a few Limpets to make him drop cargo. CMDR Piratey Pirate can't pick up the cargo without it being marked "stolen". So he calls his buddy CMDR Accomplice. CMDR Accomplice picks up the cargo and miraculously the cargo says, "this isn't the guy who killed my owner so I'll reset myself to clean." CMDR Accomplice then abandons a percentage of the cargo for CMDR Piratey Pirate to pick up and the cargo has now been successfully laundered.
It is far more realistic for any cargo that wasn't dropped by the original owner on his or her own volition to be marked "stolen". The original owner wouldn't care about your "salvage rights" unless he or she were the ones going back to do the salvaging.
 
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