Stop beating up FD for not responding to player input

[Flappers]

My main concern right now are the game breaking issues with 1.1 which have yet to be fixed.

My only hope is that they fix them before it's released... otherwise these forums will be 10x worse than they already are.

 

[Dbrn47]

My main concern right now are the game breaking issues with 1.1 which have yet to be fixed.

My only hope is that they fix them before it's released... otherwise these forums will be 10x worse than they already are.

Hide your cookies. It's coming.

 

[Hitsuke]

So you're falling back on the old "bait-and-switch false advertising" argument? I don't buy that one at all, Elite Dangerous is exactly what I was expecting when I signed up. You'd have to willfully delude yourself to expect anything else.



Well that's where the analogy breaks down, of course.

It's not false advertising no, it's just over-elaborate "Artistic license". The features are there, they're just not as grand or all encompassing as we were led to believe (Living universe lol). Also forever moving release dates for features such as wings, is also quite annoying. Wings was originally meant to arrive in January, then it was February, and now it's March. I would bet money, that we don't get wings in March either...

 

[Hadron-Higgs-Boson]

you'd think David Braben personally sentenced them to roll a boulder uphill for all eternity.

is that in the Planetary landings expansion?

 

[Gorodd]

I have read so many complaints about the 1.1 Beta patch.
I think everyone needs to stop bashing FD because they have a vision and are moving forward with it, regardless of player input.
Games like SWG and Tabula Rasa have proven that listening to the majority of one's customer base isn't that important.

Its been hard to look at the forums without bumping into the downer-posts created by a toxic cocktail of soaring expectations and little patience.

+1 rep - agree fully with both points.

 

[barcode]

is that in the Planetary landings expansion?

It bloody well better be!

 

[Belsameth]

Its been hard to look at the forums without bumping into the downer-posts created by a toxic cocktail of soaring expectations and little patience.

+1 rep - agree fully with both points.

Look up both games

 

[Rolands]

As far as i understand, FD are only listening to the ''secret top hat forums of people who payed extra''

The communication between devs and players is next to non existant.

Small things that could improve the game get overlooked (example, better communication interface, HUD color customization etc.) and features that are ridiculously simple minded (example, trucking progress bar, random market price fluctuations etc.) get implemented and then nerfed in the ground or complete opposite.

ED is an early beta and releasing ED this early, i guess to get more money, was the biggest mistake...

Right now i have no idea what FD plan is, again the communication issue, and im more then sure that they only listen to the ''secret top hat forums of people who payed extra'', so im just gonna log on once in a while as i have done till now, see what the forums is on about once in a while and see what happens.

 

[BlackReign]

That's one way of looking at it. And yes, i do hope they are going ahead with their vision instead of listening to the playerbase too much (although of course they should listen to feedback, but not let it dilute where they want to go (see my previous post - or possibly this one will be merged with it). And majority? Erm, more likely the vocal minority if you are referring to the dozen or so who spend all their time complaining.

If you don't know their vision, then you haven't looked at the DDF or dev diaries. Perhaps you should check them out. Don't take them as gospel, like some holy doctrine, they are just discussions and ideas, only Mr B knows the exact direction he wants to go with this, and he is allowed to change his mind as the game evolves.

I have checked out the Dev Diaries, that's not a vision. It's a rambling/brainstorming of ideas. Too bad you are so dismissive of the "complainers". they are the only ones that pressure devs to make positive changes. Fanboys never do. The game lacks any vision, you can play the game for a while and figure that out. The constant nerfing, poor support, wasted allocation of reasource, etc.....

Fact is, if the game doesn't show significant improvement in 1.1, I think we can expect a demise of this game within a year. If you notice, most people out here aren't using the word "fun" with the game. But the word "grind" is pervasive.

 

[iAmLegion]

I have checked out the Dev Diaries, that's not a vision. It's a rambling/brainstorming of ideas. Too bad you are so dismissive of the "complainers". they are the only ones that pressure devs to make positive changes. Fanboys never do. The game lacks any vision, you can play the game for a while and figure that out. The constant nerfing, poor support, wasted allocation of reasource, etc.....

Fact is, if the game doesn't show significant improvement in 1.1, I think we can expect a demise of this game within a year. If you notice, most people out here aren't using the word "fun" with the game. But the word "grind" is pervasive.

First part i don't fully agree with that the complainers are the only one to pressure devs. Solid complaints with constructive ideas are what makes things go forward, ranters etc is most often not listened to.

I do belive that if 1.1 isn't good we will see a lot of people leaving, I already see a lot of my guild mates playing less and less including myself. We used to be at least 15-25 people on TeamSpeak for example but now most often we are down to 3-5 guys. The game has a solid ground to stand on but if this is to be a real success it needs a lot more depth.

 

[babelfisch]

Fact is, if the game doesn't show significant improvement in 1.1, I think we can expect a demise of this game within a year. If you notice, most people out here aren't using the word "fun" with the game. But the word "grind" is pervasive.

"Fact is..., I think..."

Those words usualy don't go well together except you mean it is a fact that you think. Sometimes I find that questionable

 

[Kramster]

The way some people around here talk, you'd think David Braben personally sentenced them to roll a boulder uphill for all eternity.

is that in the Planetary landings expansion?

It bloody well better be!

Ah it may well start as being pushing it uphill, but the forum backlash will be for it to be downhill so, in the end, it will probably be pushed along horizontally

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Fact is, if the game doesn't show significant improvement in 1.1, I think we can expect a demise of this game within a year. If you notice, most people out here aren't using the word "fun" with the game. But the word "grind" is pervasive.

Fact is, i'm having fun, and most people out here are also having fun. Oh, did i say fact when i have nothing to prove my facts? Oh well, seems like its catching.

I do belive that if 1.1 isn't good we will see a lot of people leaving,

If that is so, then i suspect the number of players should be down to zero about now, considering what a the 1.1 release has been. Bugs ahoy!

I'm still having fun though. Some people though are just strange, like me.

 

[Han Yolo]

Stop beating up FD for not responding to player input

NEVER!!!

 

[Duane Dibley]

Seems FD is doing a good job beating itself up.

 

[ziden]

Title of thread should be *LEAVE MY DADDY ALONE!

You're all so mean! LEAVE MY DADDY ALONE! HE'S TRYING TO HARD!! He's *sniff* trying to make you a game that you love! And you are just so mean!

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Seems FD is doing a good job beating itself up.

I love your signature image by the way. Excellence.

 

[Kayweg]

With all respect, OP...FD decided to run a beta test for 1.1, now that was widely considered to be a good move.

Please also remember, they took the liberty to ask people for money to take part in that test, if they weren't backers already.

Testers did report a number of issues, including the excessive collision damage and the "point defense on friendly projectiles" problem.

Many testers genuinely tried to help FD rolling out a solid and bug free update, forfeiting their time on the live server in the process.

And then they have to witness that these bugs STILL make it into the game, despite having been reported repeatedly.

If FD doesn't want to respond to player input, they should stop ASKING for player input.

It's perfectly understandable that testers (and non testers alike), ask themselves "what was the point of testing ?"

It would be just as understandable, if these testers asked themselves "why bother ?" when it comes to testing 1.2.

And could you blame them ? I couldn't.

 

[DrDeathO5]

The point of beta-testing is bringing the game to an acceptable level. The devs decide what is or when it's acceptable. It
also means that not every bug is gonna be fixed within a limited timescale.
Be prepaired cause every update will introduce new bugs. No bugs means no new content.
I'd rather have an update with 2 new features, 5 bugfixes and 3 new bugs then no update at all.

 

[Hekantonkheries]

The point of beta-testing is bringing the game to an acceptable level. The devs decide what is or when it's acceptable. It
also means that not every bug is gonna be fixed within a limited timescale.
Be prepaired cause every update will introduce new bugs. No bugs means no new content.
I'd rather have an update with 2 new features, 5 bugfixes and 3 new bugs then no update at all.

your talking extremes, what would be bad about delaying an update for a week or two so that the game-breaking bugs (like losing a multi-milion ship to a paint scratch through shields) can be fixed for live-server deployment?

 

[Ralph Vargr]

your talking extremes, what would be bad about delaying an update for a week or two so that the game-breaking bugs (like losing a multi-milion ship to a paint scratch through shields) can be fixed for live-server deployment?

The boss's head explodes because everything else is delayed while they fix things.