Suggestion: Improve maneuverability of Viper MKIV

[=TK=]

Please can you consider a buff to the maneuverability/agility of the Viper MKIV as its LESS than a Type 6 freighter!

Its description states that its a 'Versatile fighter', but versatile it most certainly is not.

It also has a lower boost speed than a Type 6. The Viper MKIV should at least be on par with this, as right now the ship is a poor excuse for a Viper.

I know its probably been asked before, but don't ask, don't get. Bribes of cake are available on request

Cheers FDEV

 

[xondk]

Please can you consider a buff to the maneuverability/agility of the Viper MKIV as its LESS than a Type 6 freighter!

Its description states that its a 'Versatile fighter', but versatile it most certainly is not.

It also has a lower boost speed than a Type 6. The Viper MKIV should at least be on par with this, as right now the ship is a poor excuse for a Viper.

I know its probably been asked before, but don't ask, don't get. Bribes of cake are available on request

Cheers FDEV

The MKIV generally are tougher and better armed but slower, they will last a good bit longer in a fight even if they turn slower, and might not meet the same speeds.

You might be interested in a diamond back scout?

 

[=TK=]

The MKIV generally are tougher and better armed but slower, they will last a good bit longer in a fight even if they turn slower, and might not meet the same speeds.

You might be interested in a diamond back scout?

i agree it should be slower and tougher, but it shouldn't be slower and less agile than a type 6

 

[Madrax573]

The viper iv is manouverable enough if you know how to fly.

The key is to utilise the excellent lateral and vertical thrusters.

I have no problem keeping my fixed weapons on target in the viper iv. It doesn't need a buff.

 

[ZeroAi]

Please can you consider a buff to the maneuverability/agility of the Viper MKIV as its LESS than a Type 6 freighter!

Its description states that its a 'Versatile fighter', but versatile it most certainly is not.

It also has a lower boost speed than a Type 6. The Viper MKIV should at least be on par with this, as right now the ship is a poor excuse for a Viper.

I know its probably been asked before, but don't ask, don't get. Bribes of cake are available on request

Cheers FDEV

Seconded!

 

[Madrax573]

What are you guys comparing when saying it's slower than the T6? If it's just the numbers on coriolis for example then I say you just need to learn how to fly the thing.

I can out turn and out track elite eagles with this thing, Agility wise it is a beast considering it's tank and small size.

 

[=TK=]

What are you guys comparing when saying it's slower than the T6? If it's just the numbers on coriolis for example then I say you just need to learn how to fly the thing.

I can out turn and out track elite eagles with this thing, Agility wise it is a beast considering it's tank and small size.

Is that with Flight Assist on?

Pilot skill aside, its base agility and boost should not be lower than the cheapest freighter in the game, not when its described as a versatile heavy fighter

I'm not talking about a large buff, just enough to take it above the Type 6 and improve it slightly

 

[Madrax573]

Both FA-on and FA-off.

I don't have any issue with the agility/speed of the viper IV I think it is quite nicely placed tbh.

 

[Armholeeio]

The base armour on a type 6 is better as well lol

 

[=TK=]

Yeah, its a bit daft really, it needs tweaking for sure

 

[Madrax573]

Sorry don't agree.

Come up against a T6 in my viper the only thing the T6 can reliably do is run away. Assuming it doesn't get blasted beforehand which is quite possible given that you can put all your weapon system on target with super ease in the Viper IV.

 

[Iskariot]

Please can you consider a buff to the maneuverability/agility of the Viper MKIV as its LESS than a Type 6 freighter!

Its description states that its a 'Versatile fighter', but versatile it most certainly is not.

It also has a lower boost speed than a Type 6. The Viper MKIV should at least be on par with this, as right now the ship is a poor excuse for a Viper.

I know its probably been asked before, but don't ask, don't get. Bribes of cake are available on request

Cheers FDEV

As far as I know the Viper Mark III is more maneuverable and the Mark IV is sturdier and faster.

Don't compare the IV with totally different ships.
Compare it with the ship it is derived from: The Mk III.

 

[=TK=]

As far as I know the Viper Mark III is more maneuverable and the Mark IV is sturdier and faster.

Don't compare the IV with totally different ships.
Compare it with the ship it is derived from: The Mk III.

Thats not correct - the Viper MkIV is tougher/sturdier and SLOWER than a MKIII. See below:

Viper MKIII
Speed: 315 m/s
Boost: 394 m/s

Viper MKIV
Speed: 271 m/s
Boost: 342 m/s.

So the MkIV is slower due to its toughness, which is to be expected, but my issue was that its base manouvrablilty is lower than a type 6 freighter. My OP suggests making it equal or slightly above, which would be a minor change

 

[Madrax573]

Thats not correct - the Viper MkIV is tougher/sturdier and SLOWER than a MKIII. See below:

Viper MKIII
Speed: 315 m/s
Boost: 394 m/s

Viper MKIV
Speed: 271 m/s
Boost: 342 m/s.

So the MkIV is slower due to its toughness, which is to be expected, but my issue was that its base manouvrablilty is lower than a type 6 freighter. My OP suggests making it equal or slightly above, which would be a minor change

Erm you do realise that the maneuverability number isn't the be all and end all of how a ship handles yes?

So you are seriously wanting a buff to one of the most versatile and effective small ships in game because some number isn't quite as high as the T6?

That would just make it OP. Out of all the small ships in the current line up the Viper is probably the best balanced of them all.

 

[=TK=]

Erm you do realise that the maneuverability number isn't the be all and end all of how a ship handles yes?

So you are seriously wanting a buff to one of the most versatile and effective small ships in game because some number isn't quite as high as the T6?

That would just make it OP. Out of all the small ships in the current line up the Viper is probably the best balanced of them all.

Yes, i know its not just a numbers game when it comes to how it flies but to me, the MkIV just feels a little lacking and needs a slight tweak, nothing game breaking

You feel otherwise, which is fine, horses for courses and all that.

 

[Winter Jasra]

Is that with Flight Assist on?

Pilot skill aside, its base agility and boost should not be lower than the cheapest freighter in the game, not when its described as a versatile heavy fighter

I'm not talking about a large buff, just enough to take it above the Type 6 and improve it slightly

I think you've taken versatility in the wrong context here, when it's described as a versatile heavy fighter, they mean heavy fighter that can multi-role.

Although that said, I would love my Viper 4 to be much quicker

Something like a 100m/s buff would do well FDEV.......please, pretty please

 

[BurntJello]

I don't use Viper3 or Viper4 at all because the pitch is so bad. +5 on each might be enough.

Viper4 (stock) pitch: 30
Python (stock) pitch: 30
Corvette (stock) pitch: 28

... something is seriously wrong here...

 

[Madrax573]

I don't use Viper3 or Viper4 at all because the pitch is so bad. +5 on each might be enough.

Viper4 (stock) pitch: 30
Python (stock) pitch: 30
Corvette (stock) pitch: 28

... something is seriously wrong here...

While the pitch is a bit low as a KBAM user I'm more interested in the Pitch/yaw ratios as it allows much better overall turning, rather than rolling and pitching like an aircraft.

And flying fully FA-off a roll/pitch flight model is inherently less agile overall.