So am I going to be able to cause massive damage by targeting the weapons themselves and causing the magazines to go off? Will I be able to blow out adjacent systems when those magazines blow?
[Suggestion] Magazines as Internal Compartments
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So, I spent about 10 seconds with the search button and searched the title of the thread. I got three other threads suggesting the exact same thing. I bet I could get a ton more if I threw the word 'ammo' in there.
Under traditional circumstances, I would be totally flat out against this, as I have been in the past million threads about this same topic. However, with HRPs doing their HRP thing and materials doing their material thing, the relationship weapons have with ammo needs to be reconsidered. The dynamic between durability and damage output is in a terrible flux right now, and is really turning me off the game.
This suggestion should probably be ignored until the weapons balance pass hits. It's pointless to try to make something like this work considering all that's going on.
Under traditional circumstances, I would be totally flat out against this, as I have been in the past million threads about this same topic. However, with HRPs doing their HRP thing and materials doing their material thing, the relationship weapons have with ammo needs to be reconsidered. The dynamic between durability and damage output is in a terrible flux right now, and is really turning me off the game.
This suggestion should probably be ignored until the weapons balance pass hits. It's pointless to try to make something like this work considering all that's going on.
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Another misdirect, considering that the initial failure was not in the ammunition, the weapon system or the environment. It was in the "engineering" section of the plane. I'll take your lead in, however, to make a point you have, thus far, and in spite of previous presentation, avoided. You claim that having ammunition inside the hull is a bad thing because it will Inevitably blow up the ship, in spite of literally centuries of a contrary evidence. What do you plan to do about the captive sun contained in the fusion power plant, or the large volume of hydrogen fuel dispersed throughout the hull or all of the capacitors used to make the ship combat worthy? All of those have incredibly destructive potential should they be damaged in combat.
Oh, look, another ad hominem attack backed by selective application of facts with an appeal to authority thrown in for good measure.
So, we put the power plant, the fuel, the capacitors and the ammunition outside the armor because they all have a large POTENTIAL to explode. What are you planning on keeping inside the hull? Crew quarters and computers, I suppose. Nope, can't do that, either. Both of those systems have batteries involved as emergency power, and we know that those blow up.
The plasma accelerator comment, by the way, shows that you are not reading the material, merely trying to come up with a false compromise. Plasma is an energy state somewhere between fire and fusion. The reason that it would do kinetic damage is because the energy transfer is too sudden to be absorbed by the physical body of the ship since it is a combination of heat (the energy state) and physical matter. I'll grant you that a round would be nothing more than an piece of some substance, most likely solid frozen hydrogen, but the weapon itself has to be able to convert that into something on it's way to fusing within a fraction of a second, so the existence of capacitors is a given. Oops, now you have two exploding elements on site.
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Why would the fuel explode? It is hydrogen. Pure hydrogen does not explode unless mixed with Oxygen.
Really, you should stop now, if you don't know the basics of chemistry and physics.
Another example of your lack of understanding of basic physics:
Plasma stored as "solid frozen hydrogen", another physics difficulty, would be EXTREMELY dangerous to store. It is at 250000 Atmospheres of pressure to become metal (that is what a solid is called when it comes from the left side of the periodic table) and also kept very close to absolute zero.
Suddenly releasing all that hyper compressed gas INSIDE the ship? Very very bad idea.
Liquid hydrogen alone expanding to gas is 867:1. So for every liter of hydrogen liquid, I now have 857 liters of gas inside my perfectly sealed bubble called a ship.
I would pop like a balloon!
BTW, unless the ship builders were stupid, the engine and fuel storage would be outside the sealed inhabited part of the ship, but we know the cargo holds are NOT.
The reactor and the fuel would be outside, making it much easier to shield, and much less deadly if it gets hit by enemy fire.
Really, you should stop now, if you don't know the basics of chemistry and physics.
Another example of your lack of understanding of basic physics:
Plasma stored as "solid frozen hydrogen", another physics difficulty, would be EXTREMELY dangerous to store. It is at 250000 Atmospheres of pressure to become metal (that is what a solid is called when it comes from the left side of the periodic table) and also kept very close to absolute zero.
Suddenly releasing all that hyper compressed gas INSIDE the ship? Very very bad idea.
Liquid hydrogen alone expanding to gas is 867:1. So for every liter of hydrogen liquid, I now have 857 liters of gas inside my perfectly sealed bubble called a ship.
I would pop like a balloon!
BTW, unless the ship builders were stupid, the engine and fuel storage would be outside the sealed inhabited part of the ship, but we know the cargo holds are NOT.
The reactor and the fuel would be outside, making it much easier to shield, and much less deadly if it gets hit by enemy fire.
Proving you wrong is getting tedious, but here we go. The explosion already being present, hydrogen in the fuel tank being under pressure to reduce the volume taken up, the hydrogen ADDS itself to the existent explosion which, being volatile gas, consumes the additional accelerant, producing a secondary reaction.
This one is hilarious. So, concrete, which is a solid, is comprised of metal because that is what all elements become when they are solids? See, your logic breaks down in the fact that Hydrogen is not a metal, which is an element, not a state. The first clue on the Periodic Table is the the symbol for Hydrogen is H, as opposed to something like Zk. Iron, for example, uses not Ir but Fe.
Oh, by the way, you just got done arguing, in this same post, that hydrogen would not be dangerous to store. Which is it? Solid frozen hydrogen would be an ice analog, not a metal, but, again, you are being selective in your application, since the point I was making is that plasma still has physical mass which is why it causes kinetic damage, unlike, oh, say, coherent light.
So, you want to place them outside the armor. You make statements like your previous, yet I am the ignorant one. Your ship "designs" would all die the moment they lost their shields, and the game play doesn't support your theory because, even with the mechanics for targeting subsystems, it is not instantaneous. Finally, your thought that the engines and fuel would be sealed outside of the main volume of the ship precludes the notion that damage control would need to access them, meaning that any damage would only be accessible to service remotes and the resources contained inside the ship. Again, your argument flies in the face of centuries of real world design, including submarines which also have nuclear reactors and an air tight environment.
By all means, though, keep going. You're helping me to recover my typing speed after a shoulder surgery with your "logic".
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Only on this forum would we be discussing this!
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I think this topic been up a few times. The Devs. Bring up it could be a unfair Advantage. Because those weapons do higher damage. But they did do something that can do the same thing. But the player has to work for it. Collect minerals on a planet. Then take it to a war zone. When the player runs out. They go into crafting. Click and refill Magazines. Guess what they are back into combat with a full load and a few more loads in crafting.
Oh gods. is that what passes for logic?
Why would hydrogen explode without oxygen?
Do you even understand what it takes to have an explosion? Fuel and Oxidizer. Where, if it is properly stored outside the ships living area, is it going to get oxygen? it will out gas to space, that is all it will do.
Hydrogen in a solid form is a metal, it conducts electricity, it gives up an electron to make a positive ion. 75% of all elements are metals, Hydrogen is one of the many..
Look up the properties of metals and metallic hydrogen. It also exists only under extreme pressures and temperatures, so is practical for storage. Liquid is more sensible. 250K ATM is not a reasonable pressure, which is what it takes to make hydrogen ice vrs around 14 ATM to make liquid hydrogen. Something that could be done with 1898 technology.
At 250,000 ATM of pressure, your ice hydrogen would be extremely dangerous indeed.
Why the reactor and fuel could not be armored outside the ships living area on the other side of a shielded bulkhead is beyond me. It is the most logical place to have it to avoid killing yourself with it. I guess you just made that one up for yourself to claim a win, but I see no logical reason why armoring has to be only for life supported parts of the ship, and not external to the life support compartments.
Dangerous stuff like Ammo, reactors, and fuel belong OUTSIDE the ship's life support area.
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Hydrogen becomes a solid at around 14 K. This is different to metallic hydrogen.
Density of solid hydrogen is still laughably low and still probably not the safest way to store it.
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