[SUGGESTION] Ship cost and rebuy cost balance

[Kyokushin]

"If you want to use Large ships go in a wing. So you can protect each other."
My friend here lies the problem! in my country i don't have a friend which owns ED. There is a section of the forum with people of my country but they are not as often online as i am. If you try to wing up with people from other country then the time difference also could be a problem. I am almost everyday online so it's difficult to find someone who plays daily.Also you must have the same goal.If i go for bounty hunting and others want to trade or explore there is a conflict or interests.I could try to fight in solo even in large ships but with not so harsh punishment in case of loss.After it's a game we are playing for our amusement not real life!

Send me in-game inv, we can play, i am playing almost everyday. I met many players here on forum, from many countries, i met few groups on Facebook, we are playing together from time to time. You can also join a Clan compatible with Your time zone and you will get a lot of folks ready to play, both pvp, pve, trade, whatever You want

 

[Lestat]

You quoted me, but i made a mistake. Psycho wrote about crow, and i have readed that as a 'cow', so the end of quote is a nonsense (i corrected that in meantime)

As i wrote - money are not a variable for me. I can do PvP in most expensive ships, i can die in them but for a God sake - OPEN IS NOT PVP ONLY MODE. It just allow PvP interaction, but you do not need to do PvP if you dont want.
How many times i need to write why people avoid open? They are avoid open because they are scared of the devil what not exist. You need to have a luck to meet griefer because galaxy or even bubble is BIG. People are avoid open because they wrongly think they will die here instantly and again and again, and they are scared of high rebuy cost... so nobody want to risk. So in my humble opinion FD should lower a bit of the risk - a rebuy cost to encourage people to Open mode.

if someone are playing long he dont care about that, because he have 2 or 3 blns of credits. But not a 'no life' players have no that money and they dont want to grind few hours only because a guy who have that mone (like me) destroyed they shiny ship.
Of course i do not flying over galaxy and do not ganking people, but there is a few folks who are doing that.

I completely do not know why people are scared by FEW bad guys in large galaxy.... I met them, few times, they are not scary - just a bored folks who want some pew pew. Dont want pew pew, then dont pew. Just make high wake and problem solved.

This is where you are wrong. What people need to learn is to learn use common Sense. I learn it on Runescape in PvP mode. I did not use the best of what I had. That would be stupid on my part. Then Whine about losing it all in PvP mode. I use what I could afford to lose over and over and over and buy it back and have fun. This is what people need to learn to do. Not your idea and dumb down the game. I know your asking to cater to easy mode but I think it better to have a topic to teach players to think before they play in pvp.

"If you want to use Large ships go in a wing. So you can protect each other."
My friend here lies the problem! in my country i don't have a friend which owns ED. There is a section of the forum with people of my country but they are not as often online as i am. If you try to wing up with people from other country then the time difference also could be a problem. I am almost everyday online so it's difficult to find someone who plays daily.Also you must have the same goal.If i go for bounty hunting and others want to trade or explore there is a conflict or interests.I could try to fight in solo even in large ships but with not so harsh punishment in case of loss.After it's a game we are playing for our amusement not real life!

Lucky for us. There a forum for that called Dangerous Groups You could make a group for your country. You also seem to be active right now which is 12:35pm US/Canada time line. So it pretty active right now. It should not be hard to get a group going.

Like Kyokushin we are both active right now.

 

[Kyokushin]

This is where you are wrong. What people need to learn is to learn use common Sense. I learn it on Runescape in PvP mode. I did not use the best of what I had. That would be stupid on my part. Then Whine about losing it all in PvP mode. I use what I could afford to lose over and over and over and buy it back and have fun. This is what people need to learn to do. Not your idea and dumb down the game. I know your asking to cater to easy mode but I think it better to have a topic to teach players to think before they play in pvp.

Lucky for us. There a forum for that called Dangerous Groups You could make a group for your country. You also seem to be active right now which is 12:35pm US/Canada time line. So it pretty active right now. It should not be hard to get a group going.

Like Kyokushin we are both active right now.

I got Your point, of course the best way to use the common sense, but a most of these folks are immune to that and logic. A bit lower rebuy may be tempting to try Open, they tray and they see it not so scary
And about topic - i made tutorial over one year ago: A quick guide how to survive in Open. I feel we both think similar.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=130815

 

[Lestat]

I got Your point, of course the best way to use the common sense, but a most of these folks are immune to that and logic. A bit lower rebuy may be tempting to try Open, they tray and they see it not so scary
And about topic - i made tutorial over one year ago: A quick guide how to survive in Open. I feel we both think similar.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=130815

Good read. But it dose not focus on any my of points I listed above. Like if you are in a dangerous area. Maybe use cheaper ships. Or if you are going in a new area scout using cheaper ships can help. So it will easier to buy back your ships if problems happen. Also Having the Tutorial on your Signature could help users. Also if you had the topic on Main topic it could also help users.

 

[Psycho Romeo]

I got Your point, of course the best way to use the common sense, but a most of these folks are immune to that and logic. A bit lower rebuy may be tempting to try Open, they tray and they see it not so scary
And about topic - i made tutorial over one year ago: A quick guide how to survive in Open. I feel we both think similar.

No, nobody is immune to common sense and logic.

When I'm in open I fly a courier? Why? Because when I was in the wilderness in runescape I once brought my adamantine set, and I lost it. I made that mistake exactly once, because I was twelve years old and twelve year olds typically have a fully developed sense of consequence.

So in open I fly a courier because it's extremely cheap, quite strong, and is a pleasure to fly. It doesn't take hours to recover the insurance cost of a courier (450k).

Your suggestion asks that we lower insurance so that the dumbest and most stubborn among us don't feel so much pressure in open. I hardly think that balancing a game to the capabilities of the dumbest and most stubborn players is a great idea. Besides, this doesn't address the problem. Those dumb and stubborn players are still dumb and stubborn players who are going to complain about the next thing.

No, what will address the problem is beating the crap out of those dumb and stubborn players until they wise up or realize that they bought the wrong game.

 

[Lestat]

No, nobody is immune to common sense and logic.

When I'm in open I fly a courier? Why? Because when I was in the wilderness in runescape I once brought my adamantine set, and I lost it. I made that mistake exactly once, because I was twelve years old and twelve year olds typically have a fully developed sense of consequence.

I had the Dragon set. . Which was a punch in the gut. So I had to farm for it again.

But I think what we learn on Runescape is Don't use the best on the game. Or you could lose it all.

 

[Kyokushin]

No, nobody is immune to common sense and logic.

When I'm in open I fly a courier? Why? Because when I was in the wilderness in runescape I once brought my adamantine set, and I lost it. I made that mistake exactly once, because I was twelve years old and twelve year olds typically have a fully developed sense of consequence.

So in open I fly a courier because it's extremely cheap, quite strong, and is a pleasure to fly. It doesn't take hours to recover the insurance cost of a courier (450k).

Your suggestion asks that we lower insurance so that the dumbest and most stubborn among us don't feel so much pressure in open. I hardly think that balancing a game to the capabilities of the dumbest and most stubborn players is a great idea. Besides, this doesn't address the problem. Those dumb and stubborn players are still dumb and stubborn players who are going to complain about the next thing.

No, what will address the problem is beating the crap out of those dumb and stubborn players until they wise up or realize that they bought the wrong game.

I am flying in open in everything and i am still not ganked. OK - they got me few times - but it was my fault, i just wanted to fight 1vs3 instead of running This is not wise, however this was my decision and i was fully aware of possible rebuy screen.
In almost everything you can run. Check my tutorial. I am following these rules in real life and in-game since 2 years. This works. You will not be enforced to use only Courier. I am flying often in PvE or explo Anaconda, Trading Cutter, ASP, Cobra, Clipper and of course FDL. In all this ships a wing of four guys cannot kill me - ok maybe if i do something extremely stupid, but in most this is submit to interdiction, boost, high or low jump and thats all. Extremely fast evacuation and You can play whetever you want in every ship. Of course stupid builds will make you death, but building a ship is also some knowledge. You just need some shields, power manage and scb.

Players should feel a pressure. I am not on turning rebuy to zero. In my opinion a rebuy is just too high. It is disccouraging for people.

Urban legend is Open = PvP. No. Open is no PvP. I am doing everything in open. When i am trading, i am just avoiding common routes or locations known as PvP arenas, when i am exploring i am selling my data also on more safe system. If i want to get fun i am flying just around and looking for the mess.
Of course, they are people who will fly their brand new Cutter on mouse and keyboard into the Leesti or Lave system, in a trade build, and they will think they will destroy a wing of four experienced PvPer in combat builded FDLs only because they have most expensive ship (the cutter).
They will die and there will be whining about bad openplay and ragequit. But this is not a fault of gankers, not a fault of game, this is a fault of stupidity of unresponsible person.
IF we lower a bit the rebuy cost, then this folk will get a second chance, he rebuy his cutter not on 60 mlns (3-4 hours of grind), but of 30 mlns (1-2 hours of grind), he start thinking and at the second encounter he will run, not fight or he will search for other place for trading than PvP known system.
Like in the real life - if you go to the pub at downtown you can be ganked. The safer and more wise would be avoid this pub.

 

[Lestat]

Players should feel a pressure. I am not on turning rebuy to zero. In my opinion a rebuy is just too high. It is disccouraging for people.

I think revamp on your tutorial is needed not lowering rebuy cost. Or a tutorial that focus on player common Sense in pvp.

If we lower the rebuy cost it going to make Alpha and First Beta users (In 2013) who get a lower rebuy cost Mad and they earn that. IF people don't know what I talking about look at the url Insurance costs

Alpha players pay 50% less of what normal players earn.
Beta Players around the same time pay 25% of normal players
Hard core players who pay 100% of the insurance cost.

Which I have 2 accounts so I get the Alpha. (Alpha my main account) and Hard core player cost. My alpha account I playing Iron man mode so I don't need to worry about insurance. On my other account I pay the full amount of rebuy and I use common sense.

Open is no PvP. I am doing everything in open. When i am trading, i am just avoiding common routes or locations known as PvP arenas, when i am exploring i am selling my data also on more safe system. If i want to get fun i am flying just around and looking for the mess.

This is the stuff that needed to told to new players or pointed out flaws to new or bad players. Not lower the rebuy cost.

Of course, they are people who will fly their brand new Cutter on mouse and keyboard into the Leesti or Lave system, in a trade build, and they will think they will destroy a wing of four experienced PvPer in combat builded FDLs only because they have most expensive ship (the cutter).
They will die and there will be whining about bad openplay and ragequit. But this is not a fault of gankers, not a fault of game, this is a fault of stupidity of unresponsible person.

Let them Ragequit. It was their fault for bringing a new ship (Cutter) to a area that known to pvp. A lack of research is their fault not yours. If they played pvp from the start. They should of lost a few ships due to pvp. So losing a Cutter was also their fault.

Now trying to blame someone controllers is also dumb idea. Because I know some players who are killer with Mouse and keyboards. Some players use Dual flight sticks like me. x52 pro and st290 pro

IF we lower a bit the rebuy cost, then this folk will get a second chance, he rebuy his cutter not on 60 mlns (3-4 hours of grind), but of 30 mlns (1-2 hours of grind), he start thinking and at the second encounter he will run, not fight or he will search for other place for trading than PvP known system.
Like in the real life - if you go to the pub at downtown you can be ganked. The safer and more wise would be avoid this pub.

Well players done this one mistake once or twice before. Lose their ship due to ops no rebuy cost. Most of the time it a Cobra or Asp Explorer. By the time they get a cutter you think they would use common sense at this point of time and have the rebuy cost.

 

[Kyokushin]

I though the same as You a year ago. At now i have a flash of humanity. Maybe it will gone in a few days, i do not know

Or a tutorial that focus on player common Sense in pvp.

This is a long story. I can show them how to succesfully run, i can opt on lowering rebuy, but they need to figure out how to fight. It is not a good to give monkey a weapon

 

[Kyokushin]

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