Gone...
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You now have a choice between 5 missions:
In other words unless you are a courier or a bounty hunter/combat pilot there isn't much for you to do. You can still fly out and investigate POIs but you will find that most of the POIs are mining camps/ small settlements and you will rarely find any wreckage. When you do there will be usually quite the varied list of items but don't think about getting close to the "galactic average" for most items. Currently the galactic average for occupied survival pods more than 5,0000 credits, you will be lucky to sell them for 3,250... The port at which I'm at currently will buy them for the bargain price of 2,500 credits, apparently they've had a recent glut of downed space ships and will grudgingly take them off your hands... As such I roam around the galaxy with a half full hold trying to sell some items at something close to the "galactic average". Also, expect to find a ton of mining establishments/settlements on un-explored planets in un-explored systems. Makes sense, doesn't it?
While down on the surface keep some coffee or tea on because you will need to expect visitors. If you find a wreck and shoot the wanted skimmers expect security to show up. I was half way around the planet from the only base and 4 of them showed up after one such episode. (Apparently it was a "shot heard round the solar system!" :O) Spend anytime looking for POIs and an NPC will show. Often a system security ship... I got scanned by them 3 times by them in 15 minutes and I never landed or deployed weapons. It has gotten so bad with the "random" scanning by security ships that I have been intentionally avoiding any illicit cargo. Smuggling seems like it has gotten much more challenging and, while I didn't do dedicated smuggling missions before, I don't see any reason to do so now with the amount of scanning going on. I used to smuggle the occasional illicit item I found on the planet but why bother now.
Other, non-security type, NPCs will routinely spawn near you when you're searching for POIs and will threaten you, deploy weapons and scan you but when you scan them they will be "Clean". I don't have a KWS currently but shooting them in a system where they are clean generally makes you wanted doesn't it? They will not fire on you and just loiter about the area and then finally leave. I guess they got bored... This "game mechanic" seems to serve no purpose and I'm already bored with it. Another time waster in a game full of them.
I had some fun and a bit of challenge traveling to Maia in my FAS to get some metalloy, but that is over now. What used to be fun has been taken away. I can't wait to find out how jacked up the community goals are now. They used to be bad enough with interdictions so I can't wait to have my ship blasted out from under me multiple times while helping out the community!
I enjoyed just bumping around, doing a bit of exploring, salvaging and taking the occasional trade mission but the game has changed. No more star bums allowed... Trading? Forget about it! Go kill or destroy something... Make a man out of you yet!
I think not. I will have to figure out something new to do in game or go play something else that doesn't have a bunch of hidden rules and politics that I don't want to try and remember. I want an escape from complicated reality not another reality that is complicated.[sour]
In the first blush I posted this this https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=254888 But now I'm not liking it so much. The game has had a pretty radical shift to the combat side and that's not what I like. Trading and exploring have been changed radically and not for the better. Those of us like me either need to go full Monty with a combat trader or get out of the game. My sole combat skill is summed up in one word... RUN!
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You now have a choice between 5 missions:
- Source this - fairly common and can pay well. Expect this drop location to change midway to finding the required item. Don't bother to go to a planetary base that used to sell them for a good price, about the only thing for sale at planetary bases besides gas and bio waste is landmines and other weapons. Don't bother to buy other things as the prices are so jacked up you will likely have to sell at a loss. For instance, I was tasked to get performance enhancers so I went to another planetary base in another system that I knew had them... Nope, none here. I finally sourced them in a orbital station, filled my hold with them and got the message to deliver them to another base, which I did. The only problem there is that the extra I bought that would have made me a bit of a profit at the Armstrong Station would now have to sold at a loss at the new delivery point. And not just a small loss, I'm talking about a 2,000 credit loss. I bought them for around 6,500 and they wanted to buy them for just over 4,000... Nice for them but it sucks to be me.
- Trade run - Not very common at all, seems to be linked to your status will the local faction (greeeaaaatttttt... Something else I have to keep up with). Can pay well but don't expect it. Expect a message as you are about to be interdicted that if you kill x persons you will get a bonus.. you will likely be in the fight of your life the NPC is anything more than mostly harmless so you won't have time to read the message until you are at the station paying for all the damage to your ship. Good news is the police will show up in time for your funeral and salvage your ship. If you should be victorious, they will scan you and leave (without so much as a "thank you" or "good job" so don't get interdicted while carrying anything illegal. On the humorous side I have had one alliance cop scan me and was disappointed that I was empty cause he was looking for donations... I've noticed that prices are much more "dynamic" since 2.1 dropped... Still make even less sense than before but now you need the sites like Thrudds and EDDB even more. And it will be harder than ever to keep those sites current with all the "dynamisms" in the market place. So trading will be more of a pain than before..
- Courier missions - plentiful and sometimes pays well. Again, don't try to buy commodities to maximize your profits because it is highly likely you will loose money on them if you haven't been to the station before (but after 2.1 dropped).
- Kill this - very plentiful but not a choice for traders/miners
- Destroy that - very plentiful but not a choice for traders/miners.
In other words unless you are a courier or a bounty hunter/combat pilot there isn't much for you to do. You can still fly out and investigate POIs but you will find that most of the POIs are mining camps/ small settlements and you will rarely find any wreckage. When you do there will be usually quite the varied list of items but don't think about getting close to the "galactic average" for most items. Currently the galactic average for occupied survival pods more than 5,0000 credits, you will be lucky to sell them for 3,250... The port at which I'm at currently will buy them for the bargain price of 2,500 credits, apparently they've had a recent glut of downed space ships and will grudgingly take them off your hands... As such I roam around the galaxy with a half full hold trying to sell some items at something close to the "galactic average". Also, expect to find a ton of mining establishments/settlements on un-explored planets in un-explored systems. Makes sense, doesn't it?
While down on the surface keep some coffee or tea on because you will need to expect visitors. If you find a wreck and shoot the wanted skimmers expect security to show up. I was half way around the planet from the only base and 4 of them showed up after one such episode. (Apparently it was a "shot heard round the solar system!" :O) Spend anytime looking for POIs and an NPC will show. Often a system security ship... I got scanned by them 3 times by them in 15 minutes and I never landed or deployed weapons. It has gotten so bad with the "random" scanning by security ships that I have been intentionally avoiding any illicit cargo. Smuggling seems like it has gotten much more challenging and, while I didn't do dedicated smuggling missions before, I don't see any reason to do so now with the amount of scanning going on. I used to smuggle the occasional illicit item I found on the planet but why bother now.
Other, non-security type, NPCs will routinely spawn near you when you're searching for POIs and will threaten you, deploy weapons and scan you but when you scan them they will be "Clean". I don't have a KWS currently but shooting them in a system where they are clean generally makes you wanted doesn't it? They will not fire on you and just loiter about the area and then finally leave. I guess they got bored... This "game mechanic" seems to serve no purpose and I'm already bored with it. Another time waster in a game full of them.
I had some fun and a bit of challenge traveling to Maia in my FAS to get some metalloy, but that is over now. What used to be fun has been taken away. I can't wait to find out how jacked up the community goals are now. They used to be bad enough with interdictions so I can't wait to have my ship blasted out from under me multiple times while helping out the community!
I enjoyed just bumping around, doing a bit of exploring, salvaging and taking the occasional trade mission but the game has changed. No more star bums allowed... Trading? Forget about it! Go kill or destroy something... Make a man out of you yet!
I think not. I will have to figure out something new to do in game or go play something else that doesn't have a bunch of hidden rules and politics that I don't want to try and remember. I want an escape from complicated reality not another reality that is complicated.[sour]
In the first blush I posted this this https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=254888 But now I'm not liking it so much. The game has had a pretty radical shift to the combat side and that's not what I like. Trading and exploring have been changed radically and not for the better. Those of us like me either need to go full Monty with a combat trader or get out of the game. My sole combat skill is summed up in one word... RUN!
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Thanks for your reply
I play this game for about 2 months now and i am not a skilled combat player and i don't think i ever become one (i am a senior)
The ones that play this game for more than over a year now have gained credits easely ( 100 millions or even billions) i doubt if this is ever possible now
I think this is not fair upon starters i hope that they make it a little bit easier with the next update
I play this game for about 2 months now and i am not a skilled combat player and i don't think i ever become one (i am a senior)
The ones that play this game for more than over a year now have gained credits easely ( 100 millions or even billions) i doubt if this is ever possible now
I think this is not fair upon starters i hope that they make it a little bit easier with the next update
Not sure what Pville_Piper is going on about. I am seeing plenty of salvage missions, I normally avoid them but they now give good rewards for engineer materials.
Consists of heading to the Nav beacon and running a scan, you will them be given the planet location, on arrival at the planet you will see a marker for the crash site. Head to the general area, land and salvage the required cargo from the crash (normally a bunch of extra items to pick up) Head back and drop off.
Short range trade missions are paying very well - anywhere from 50,000 credits low end to a few million at the top scale, up to 10 million per mission long range at Sothis/Ceos. Darnielle's progress was offering 3/5 million per missions to haul illegal goods (pretty sure it has run dry from all the cmdr's out there picking up UA's.
For short range cargo missions, pick an area and start building a relationship with local mission givers, it doesn't take long in a new area. I'm based out of Shriver platform in the Ovid system, plenty of other systems close by.
Mission bonus can (sometimes) have a ship follow you, high wake if you are not too good at fighting, otherwise take him out and collect a nice extra bonus. Configure your ship with decent shields, keep pips to shields in combat.. Easy money.
Btw, I have a feeling Pville_Piper hasn't figured out that system state has a massive influence on commodity prices and mission types. Filter the gal map for boom state, or if trucking A-B-A cargo check the system state, see if it's in Famine/Boom/expansion etc etc. Play it to your advantage, if you mindlessly fly around like pvilee you will likely find things working against you unless you get lucky.
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Thanks 777Driver, but no, I haven't seen a single salvage mission and I was unaware the new twist. I was aware of the influence thing but I don't know how fast you build it. I made the journey to Maia and then to Deciate (?) to see Felicity and have hung around in that area. I normally range around the Cupis system so I'm trying to decide if it would be just easier to head back over there or hang in this area as I try to get my ship upgraded. I have upgraded my weapons according to your suggestions that you made about the T9. Here is my current build
http://coriolis.io/outfit/federal_assault_ship/16B6A5A5E6B4D4C1e270s2i00000k01385i0302v62f.Iw18cQ==.Aw18cQ==?bn=Pipers%20FAS%20%22Bug%20Stomper%22
The multi cannon is a 3C but other than that it is pretty much what I have.
I guess what I'm going on about is the major shift to combat and the loss of balance to the game. It will take some getting used to. One of the things I did to relieve the grindy aspects of game was to go exploring on the surface which, while not as profitable as trading, was fun and stress relieving and now that has been greatly nurtured with the overload of mining site POIs. Maybe it is just this are as I didn't see that back where I was flying but then I was just there for a short time before I decided to get the meta-alloy while it was easy.
BTW, I appreciate your presence on the forums. I have learned a lot of good tips from you. Your positive attitude and resistance to putting down others often inspires me to do the same and put my sarcasm in check. You have often helped me take a new look at a perspective I might not have otherwise thought of. You are the Zen Master of the forums!
http://coriolis.io/outfit/federal_assault_ship/16B6A5A5E6B4D4C1e270s2i00000k01385i0302v62f.Iw18cQ==.Aw18cQ==?bn=Pipers%20FAS%20%22Bug%20Stomper%22
The multi cannon is a 3C but other than that it is pretty much what I have.
I guess what I'm going on about is the major shift to combat and the loss of balance to the game. It will take some getting used to. One of the things I did to relieve the grindy aspects of game was to go exploring on the surface which, while not as profitable as trading, was fun and stress relieving and now that has been greatly nurtured with the overload of mining site POIs. Maybe it is just this are as I didn't see that back where I was flying but then I was just there for a short time before I decided to get the meta-alloy while it was easy.
BTW, I appreciate your presence on the forums. I have learned a lot of good tips from you. Your positive attitude and resistance to putting down others often inspires me to do the same and put my sarcasm in check. You have often helped me take a new look at a perspective I might not have otherwise thought of. You are the Zen Master of the forums!