System Authority Vessels in Anarchy?

[MaccGyver]

Before I submit a ticket for this, figured I'd check here and see if I'm misinterpreting how things are supposed to work.

I was fooling around and pirating NPCs in Orrere (Independent, Anarchy, Agricultural, I believe) and noticed there was a RES in system, so I figured I'd head there and see if any of the miners had found something juicy like gold or palladium. Upon attacking an NPC, I did not receive a Wanted status or a fine, but System Authority Ships started spawning and coming after me. I was under the impression there were no security in Anarchy systems... did I find a bug, or are there conditions I'm not aware of?

 

[Alshain]

I'm not familiar with Orrere but you said Independent and Anarchy. It can't be both. Independent has laws and law enforcement, just not one of the 3 major factions. Anarchy should have no law enforcement.

 

[BadassPreacher]

I've been wondering about these as well... I just thought that when the system is controlled by a minor faction that is aligned with the Federation for example, these ships start to show up. In Ngaliba I never saw system authority ships when Lords of Ngaliba was the controlling faction, but now that Crimson Major Solutions (or whatever it's called) is in control, I see the system authority ships all the time.

 

[TheoZ]

Before I submit a ticket for this, figured I'd check here and see if I'm misinterpreting how things are supposed to work.

I was fooling around and pirating NPCs in Orrere (Independent, Anarchy, Agricultural, I believe) and noticed there was a RES in system, so I figured I'd head there and see if any of the miners had found something juicy like gold or palladium. Upon attacking an NPC, I did not receive a Wanted status or a fine, but System Authority Ships started spawning and coming after me. I was under the impression there were no security in Anarchy systems... did I find a bug, or are there conditions I'm not aware of?

They must have taken Onionhead and think they are system authority vessels!

 

[Asmodivs]

I'm not familiar with Orrere but you said Independent and Anarchy. It can't be both. Independent has laws and law enforcement, just not one of the 3 major factions. Anarchy should have no law enforcement.

Orrere:
Govenment: Anarchy
Allegiance: Independant

I suppose they could be hired security by the controlling faction but have no data to back this up.

 

[sovereign101010]

I was in an anarchy system decided to visit a resource collection site and try some bounty hunting using a kill scanner on them soon as Killed one that was asking me about my cargo I killed him after kill scan him and notice the bounty amount poped up but then a few seconds latter I get a message from system authority vessels they are starting their attack run sure enough five of them were on top of me and I had to go into super cruse to escape to an outpost to claim that bounty. So I figured it is normal if the federation and others can have their police then so can the pirate factions that control that system to can employ their own version of system of authority vessels for an anarchy system to protect their own pirate clans interest.

 

[rbridd]

I think "anarchy" systems would be better defined as "unaligned" systems.

Certainly, it is possible to become wanted in an anarchy system, and it's possible to collect bounties for a minor faction and turn them in at an anarchy system station.
Don't forget that not all stations in a system have to be anarchy for the system to be marked anarchy.

With respect to system authority vessels getting the hump with you after you have shot an NPC.
I think this is a bug.
They give you loads of mouth about starting attack runs... and they do actually perform their attack runs, and buzz you... I've even been accidentally rammed by one... but they won't open fire unless you fire on them first.
It's quite endearing really. I've had up to 10 of them swarming around me while bounty hunting in a RES.
You need to be REALLY careful not to get one of them in your sights then, because you hit one with a stray bit of lead, or graze it with a laser, and they all start firing at once.

I noticed this and ticketed it while attempting to ring hunt in the 1.1 beta.

 

[Alshain]

Orrere:
Govenment: Anarchy
Allegiance: Independant

I suppose they could be hired security by the controlling faction but have no data to back this up.

Hmm, I was thinking Independent Government, not allegiance. I agree that allegiance should not say Independent, Unaligned would be better. Of course that doesn't explain the security force. I'm not entirely sure what allegiance means really.

 

[Asmodivs]

Hmm, I was thinking Independent Government, not allegiance. I agree that allegiance should not say Independent, Unaligned would be better. Of course that doesn't explain the security force. I'm not entirely sure what allegiance means really.

Yeah, it's pretty vague and I agree that Unaligned would be a better description.

 

[MaccGyver]

@rbridd (quoting sucks on a mobile) - they did start shooting, not just buzzing me with threatening comms.

There seems to be confusion among the responses here. I was under the impression it's a bug because the government is Anarchy - the allegiance of Independant shouldn't matter, right?. I'll ticket it when I get home, will be a good excuse to use the new support site ;P

 

[Tryst]

Why not? Aren't they allowed there or something? If authorities of a local system want to curb piracy, they would obviously go to other systems where pirates tend to hang out.

 

[Darkium]

Not only do they patrol the ressources extraction sites I've visited, but they event attack you for shooting criminals since there's no wanted status on npcs.

It's stupid.

 

[Daisuke-kun]

It is just a minor bug, depending on the system. I have be exploring outside inhabitant space for a while so everywhere I go is anarchy with no government. There is no securtiy force out here. However, there is a very small chance that a security force will jump out of SC within a 500 Ly range.

Security force WILL jump out from SC in independant system that is under anarchy rule.

 

[Alshain]

Why not? Aren't they allowed there or something? If authorities of a local system want to curb piracy, they would obviously go to other systems where pirates tend to hang out.

That's what bounty hunters and assasins are for. Sending the system security would be like if the United States sent the New York police department to Iraq to fight ISIS.

 

[Daisuke-kun]

That's what bounty hunters and assasins are for. Sending the system security would be like if the United States sent the New York police department to Iraq to fight ISIS.

They are.

 

[Joe nose]

I see them as ships which are trying to establish control over local space: be they for a pirate or non-pirate faction. They might be good guys, or hired thugs; but the fact that it's an anarchy system doesn't mean everyone wants it to stay that way (including gangster cartels). Anarchy / non-anarchy status shouldn't be a binary thing.

Or it's a bug

 

[SirAdelaide]

Pretty sure it's a bug.

I got interdicted last night by system security in an anarchy system that only had a star.

But it doesn't make sense in Orrere or Sobek either, since anarchy means no organised government. If they can organise a way to pay security, then they would be a dictatorship or something as someone is calling the shots.

 

[MaccGyver]

Update: Wasn't able to log in for a few days, but I've double checked and Orrere is Allegiance Anarchy and Gov Anarchy. Definitely in agreement it's a bug, and has been ticketed as such. Thanks to everyone for the feedback!

 

[cheekibreekisuka]

A long time ago I got interdicted by a pirate in an anarchy system and while I was fighting him, a police ship (I don't remember if it was Federal security or a System authority) came near me, scanned me, sent me a "You're clean Commander, you are free to go" and jumped out ¬¬

I don't remember where it was but it was definitely anarchy.


-D, F.