Thargoid code stuff (solved)

glynie

glynie
Alright folks,

I dunno if this has been done before because I only recently returned and I haven't kept up with all the news, but I was intercepted by a couple thargoids earlier and I bothered to hang around and listen / look at their codes. Anyway, apologies if this is common knowledge:

First of all, audio pulses appear to repeat in intervals of 12. Let's say we name each unique(ish) sound A, B, C.. to me it sounds roughly like this: AAAABCAAAAAC (and repeat)

Onto the numbers shown on your selected target region of the HUD. They come in groups of 24 values, each 3 digits long right, with an entirely different group overlaid over the top, flashing up from time to time? Well, I recorded a vid and went through frame by frame, and double checked. Here you go, there are only ten combinations:

[Combo]: [values]
0: 040 165 156
1: 143 145 162
2: 146 141 143
3: 150 165 154
4: 154 040 163
5: 156 000 000
6: 163 163 040
7: 164 141 151
8: 164 157 162
9: 164 162 145

[video time stamp]: [layer 1 combo 1][layer 1 combo 2]/[layer 2 combo 1][layer 2 combo 2] [layer 1 combo 3]...etc
00:27: 64/11 87/53 68/85 78/20
00:31: 11/91 89/72 59/90 70/11
00:35: 74/22 17/80 59/75 60/49
00:38: 64/10 08/26 33/04 98/81
00:41: 90/19 63/14 72/47 61/58
00:46: 70/06 39/09 80/20 26/48
00:49: 11/01 61/75 87/78 13/48
00:54: 06/90 71/59 28/41 71/82
00:58: 90/71 07/66 01/70 77/55
01:01: 60/33 77/41 16/36 36/61
and it goes on and on and on...

To clarify, here's the first set of numbers from the video:

00:27: [layer 1] / [layer 2]
163 163 040 154 040 163 / 143 145 162 143 145 162
164 157 162 164 141 151 / 156 000 000 150 165 154
163 163 040 164 157 162 / 164 157 162 156 000 000
164 141 151 164 157 162 / 146 141 143 040 165 156

Here's also a link to a map thread which got me interested: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/thargoid-map-theory.549985/

Take it easy
 
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glynie

glynie
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I just started heading back to Sol and got intercepted again, this time by a different type of thargoid that zapped me with some green lightning and promptly buggered off. As you can see, the codes always fall into one of those 10 combos above (btw, I haven't seen anyone mention that there's only 10 combinations anywhere before so I'm not sure it's common knowledge?).
 
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here_it_comes

here_it_comes
Considering the gameplay depth of missions, I'd bet money there is nothing behind the numbers beyond an array of preset 'codes' the game selects from to make it look intriguing and not overly stale without having to randomly generate and format every number. Were their things to be decoded in this niche activity, one would expect the same attention to depth to be paid to missions, which are quite shallow. You discovered the array of preset 'codes'.
 

glynie

glynie
Just one more thing to consider, possibly nothing, but I have noticed one coincidence? I didn't see anything significant in 16 or 24 bit value interpretations (ints, floats, etc). Nor did base16 (hex) or base2 (binary) seem especially interesting. However, virtually every value when converted to base10 (decimal) from base8 (octal) lands upon a usable character in the ASCII table. Take a look:

0: 040 165 156 = 032 117 110 = [space] u n
1: 143 145 162 = 099 101 114 = c e r
2: 146 141 143 = 102 097 099 = f a c
3: 150 165 154 = 104 117 108 = h u l
4: 154 040 163 = 108 032 115 = l [space] s
5: 156 000 000 = 110 000 000 = n [null] [null]
6: 163 163 040 = 115 115 032 = s s [space]
7: 164 141 151 = 116 097 105 = t a i
8: 164 157 162 = 116 111 114 = t o r
9: 164 162 145 = 116 114 101 = t r e
 

VR andysonofbob

VR andysonofbob
Great research CMDR.

Yeah
That's definitely by design.

I teach information theory (albeit to a pretty basic level) . If that was legit accidental, which it's not because it's blantenly specified and semantic, not to mention relevant, even converting from number to ascii, that would be one for the text books!

What do the others say?
 

glynie

glynie
Oh thanks very much, appreciate it. Credit to PerchyPanther too for spotting the sentence. One thing I will say may be taken from this is, it's reasonable to assume that other Thargoid messages may be encoded in base8. Perhaps that was the point of it? (Again, making big assumptions here.)
 
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glynie

glynie
Ah right, so it is old news. Sorry, as I said, I'm completely new to all of this so I've no idea what the latest mysteries are (if there still are any), what's been cracked, what hasn't, etc. Thanks for the link anyway.
 

Ozric

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Ozric
I think we discovered it during the life of the last great Canonn threadnaught... Great days...

But I really like that you didn't know if anything had been done with it and worked your way through it yourself. That's awesome!

Up until the Haloween event last year we hadn't had anything to investigate for about 2 years. Though it's hopeful that things will resume once Odyssey is released. If you are interested in mysteries and science though I can highly recommend having a look through this website. It will have spoilers in there, but it's a fantastic resource. There's links to joining up/in there too.

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glynie

glynie
Ozric said:
I think we discovered it during the life of the last great Canonn threadnaught... Great days...

But I really like that you didn't know if anything had been done with it and worked your way through it yourself. That's awesome!

Up until the Haloween event last year we hadn't had anything to investigate for about 2 years. Though it's hopeful that things will resume once Odyssey is released. If you are interested in mysteries and science though I can highly recommend having a look through this website. It will have spoilers in there, but it's a fantastic resource. There's links to joining up/in there too.

canonn.science

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Also known as The Canonn - Canonn Research Group are the premier player group in Elite Dangerous for everyone interested in the mysteries of the galaxy.
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Ah thanks very much :) And thanks for the invitation, I'll take a look. I've always been into puzzles so it'd be good to be there when some new ones come along.
 

Ozric

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Ozric
glynie said:
Ah thanks very much :) And thanks for the invitation, I'll take a look. I've always been into puzzles so it'd be good to be there when some new ones come along.
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Excellent. It's mostly done through the Discord channel now, it gets a bit crazy in there. But there are certainly plenty of mysteries and puzzles for you to explore while you wait for Odyssey and the hope of new ones :)
 
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