The Admiral and the King
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Ranks are honorary, not real. Like being a Knight in Britain, you don't get armor, shield, horse, lance, land or expected to turn up and fight when the Queen asks.
Indeed. Think of it more like a certification or license than a position of power.
Certificate of the king and the admiral? LOL
But seriously all the titles in the federation have a military origin. They can not be just the titles.
And the imperial titles like Earl or King imply the existence of private land.
But all this does not matter. It is important that the Empire and the Federation of competitors. Working at Empire you harm the Federation, as you're doing the Empire stronger.
I am sure that any senator of the empire will not talk to you when he finds out that you are the Federation Admiral. He will accuse you of betraying the Empire and you execute. Prior to this, you will still attempting to learn the secrets of the enemy.
But seriously all the titles in the federation have a military origin. They can not be just the titles.
And the imperial titles like Earl or King imply the existence of private land.
But all this does not matter. It is important that the Empire and the Federation of competitors. Working at Empire you harm the Federation, as you're doing the Empire stronger.
I am sure that any senator of the empire will not talk to you when he finds out that you are the Federation Admiral. He will accuse you of betraying the Empire and you execute. Prior to this, you will still attempting to learn the secrets of the enemy.
America and China are competitors. Working for china doesn't harm America.
The major factions aren't at war. War occurs at the minor faction level. This reflects but a small part of the major faction, and the two factions aren't going to hate each other just because two or two hundred of their thousands of minor factions go to war.
Rank Admiral is not just a title, it is a military rank. If it's just a title, then please tell me the actual ranks of the federation. I'm sure this is a real military rank. And to be the Federation Admiral in the service of the Empire is nonsense.
The conversation is not about the war. You can not have a real high rank in different countries at the same time. Especially if they are not friendly.
The conversation is not about the war. You can not have a real high rank in different countries at the same time. Especially if they are not friendly.
I don't know the actual ranks of the federation, try reading the book? But as far as what the game tells us, the military ranks are effectively just titles. I can be a SCUBA diver instructor rank, and commercial airline pilot rank. It's hard to use them both, but I'm not prevented from doing so.
I liked in Elite 2 where Imperial ranks only went to Prince. Made it seem a bit less silly.
At least the Federation doesn't have the rank Prime Minister or Arch Chancellor or such as their top rank.
CMDR Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
CMDR Arthur: The Bulletin Board, filled with the purest shimmering donation missions, let me rank up quickly. I had lots of money to spare, THAT is why I am your king.
CMDR CTCParadox
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We're talking about Naval Rank .
Petty Officer
Lieutenant
Captain
It all military rank if you do not know. You can not serve two armies at once. Why do you argue about the crystal clear facts?
You can be a friend of the Federation and the Empire. But you can not be in two different armies at once.
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So, I dunno if you just haven't read any of the posts in the thread so far, but we kinda just explained to you that it's not like a military rank and is more like a title or license.
It's crystal clear that they are not military ranks in anything but name.
That ranks in the game at the moment do not allow you to manage the fleet, it does not mean it is not real rank in the universe of the game.
Here is the link to the wiki http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy
You get a real military rank in the Empire navy. The fastest way you raise the rank of performing combat tasks.
I ask the official link where it is refuted. "Ranks the honorary title only" - it's just your opinion, where are the facts?
Here is the link to the wiki http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy
You get a real military rank in the Empire navy. The fastest way you raise the rank of performing combat tasks.
I ask the official link where it is refuted. "Ranks the honorary title only" - it's just your opinion, where are the facts?
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Are you trolling?
1) It doesn't say anywhere that it's a [size=billion]REAL MILITARY RANK[/size]. It's just navy ranks, and as far as anyone can tell, that's just what their called. Hound missiles aren't REALLY dogs, they're just called pack hound missiles. I learned to make this kind of distinction in grade school.
2) The game (as in, the topic of this forum board) suggests that the military ranks are not military ranks, but rather, more like titles or licenses.
For any of your future questions regarding the subject, please consult every single other previous post in this thread where this has been stated.
Could they use a better name? Yeah. I guess. Though I expect most mature adults to say 'oh' when they learn the reality and move on.
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Just for better understanding: why do you get bothered by a feature that does not mean anything to you?
You're right OP. This is something that does need development but although I can't give you a link right here, as it was said a while ago, I do know Michael Brookes (Producer of ED, at Frontier) has said development of major factions is on the list, of things to do.
I think you can say meanwhile that major factions are in a state of cold war, putting up with each other without any actual fighting going on. It stands now then, that as long as you're willing to complete missions for a faction, who you've worked for in the past isn't all that important to them. In future, if or when major factions become hostile to each other, a high ranking with one will make it more difficult to advance with a new faction (inferred from the little so far, that Michael Brookes / FD have said, about development of the military role).
On Current Security Levels, as an independent pilot, it's pretty safe to exploit factions on all sides for ranks and ship unlocks.
I think you can say meanwhile that major factions are in a state of cold war, putting up with each other without any actual fighting going on. It stands now then, that as long as you're willing to complete missions for a faction, who you've worked for in the past isn't all that important to them. In future, if or when major factions become hostile to each other, a high ranking with one will make it more difficult to advance with a new faction (inferred from the little so far, that Michael Brookes / FD have said, about development of the military role).
On Current Security Levels, as an independent pilot, it's pretty safe to exploit factions on all sides for ranks and ship unlocks.
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When you take the missions, it states clearly that your rank is in the Naval Auxiliary..
Ranks names are used all over the place. Sports teams have captains, police forces have Sergeants and Lieutenants, the coast guard has a full naval rank structure, all ships have captain, whether they are military or not. I'm sure there are more examples.
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I would like to make this part of the game was a more realistic and better developed. After that, I'm more interested in this part of the game.
I started this thread, to learn a variety of opinions on this subject and may view the game developers.
I have not seen anything official about what status ranks within the Federation and Empire have. I seem to remember that in Frontier Elite II the ranks were related to a reserve or auxiliary navy, but i might be wrong.
Honorary ranks within the military is not unheard of. Brevet ranks is one example, although mostly used to give a serving officer a higher "honorary" rank without the pay and role the the rank brings. There are also reserve ranks and more examples if you start searching. Likewise, holding military rank in two different countries is, while quite rare, not unheard of. It used to be quite common for smaller countries to "hire" experienced officers, give them a military rank and then have them build up a military capacity. This is actually quite common today as well, but now days you don't get the rank.
As for Prince and King as Imperial ranks, I agree with those that think that these are out of place. While Prince is a noble rank that was awarded outside the Royal families, King was not as far as I know.
Grand Duke and Viceroy would be more appropriate I think.
Honorary ranks within the military is not unheard of. Brevet ranks is one example, although mostly used to give a serving officer a higher "honorary" rank without the pay and role the the rank brings. There are also reserve ranks and more examples if you start searching. Likewise, holding military rank in two different countries is, while quite rare, not unheard of. It used to be quite common for smaller countries to "hire" experienced officers, give them a military rank and then have them build up a military capacity. This is actually quite common today as well, but now days you don't get the rank.
As for Prince and King as Imperial ranks, I agree with those that think that these are out of place. While Prince is a noble rank that was awarded outside the Royal families, King was not as far as I know.
Grand Duke and Viceroy would be more appropriate I think.
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Thank you. I paid no attention to this message. In fact, the player is not in the service of the Empire, and does the job as a mercenary.
Everything became clearer, but rank higher than captain of a mercenary is not needed. And the king of mercenaries is that something strange. IMHO
I don't think it's clear to us yet, probably because subject to development (open to possible change) the upside being that "anything" might be possible.
As it is possible (I believe) to rank from trading rather than just by shooting things, it would be interesting to see the trader's (civillian) role in faction, separated from the military one. Maybe with things like full military subscription to the Navy, pressganging, tours of duty, punishment for insubordination etc., with different equipment perks awarded, or for gaining rank as a civillian winning you an unbreakable cargo hatch? (scan resistant cargo modules? for example).
I imagine this to be more where FD's grander ambitions are, definitely more involved than now. Deeper involvement means doing the development, without making any promises beforehand, but as doing the whole thing would be quite involved, this might explain why what we have now is best described as "very" place-holder (in the real world) .. as interfactional stalemate / cold war, in the roleplay one.