General / Off-Topic The coming French elections

Adept

Adept
The expectation is for the French electorate to reject LePen's nationalists on the second round, but the support numbers seems shockingly high. It's worrying on its own, even if Front National is kept from power.

LePen's promises about in-effect defaulting on the national debt have already caused a serious spike in the cost of borrowing. It feels like the French electorate is falling to the same trap as those in the UK and the USA. People aren't really thinking of the consequences, they just want change, and to protest the status quo.

I hope sanity prevails. It would be great if there was more time for the world to see the consequences for Theresa May's and Trumps politics, but I fear the current nationalistic triumphalism will still be riding high.

Don't let us down France. Don't follow the lemming train off the cliff.

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Sunleader

Sunleader
Adept said:
The expectation is for the French electorate to reject LePen's nationalists on the second round, but the support numbers seems shockingly high. It's worrying on its own, even if Front National is kept from power.

LePen's promises about in-effect defaulting on the national debt have already caused a serious spike in the cost of borrowing. It feels like the French electorate is falling to the same trap as those in the UK and the USA. People aren't really thinking of the consequences, they just want change, and to protest the status quo.

I hope sanity prevails. It would be great if there was more time for the world to see the consequences for Theresa May's and Trumps politics, but I fear the current nationalistic triumphalism will still be riding high.

Don't let us down France. Don't follow the lemming train off the cliff.

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Signed.
We seriously dont need any more Countries moving back to tze 30s...
 

Gédéon_Lecanard

Gédéon_Lecanard
Lepen strong numbers are vastly due to people getting rather jaded with the whole political circus and thus, not voting. That said, the country is overall quite right wing-ish. Mitterrand and Hollande so-called socialist mandates were really neo-liberal in general. Hollande mandate was actually more so than Sarkozy's, because the street was much more cautious and keen to react with the later. So, socialists are almost dead thanks to themselves, the right wing is drowning with Fillon, and, dare I say, rightfully so (huhuhu). In the current context, any winner is a loser. Lepen included. So, don't count on us to stick out of that mess.

It does not help that community tensions are at a peak, obviously, but not necessary for the most straight forward reason (racism). Problem is, communities are voters. And as communities, they are vocals, more so than individuals. They give the idea that they represent more folks than they actually do. So it's "who get the voices first" on TV every day now, for our leaders wannabes. Programs? Ideas? Convictions? Meh, who cares.

I might add, France is so corrupted that there is no way anyone should look up to it to serve as an example of virtue.
 

Adept

Adept
Gédéon_Lecanard said:
Lepen strong numbers are vastly due to people getting rather jaded with the whole political circus and thus, not voting. That said, the country is overall quite right wing-ish. Mitterrand and Hollande so-called socialist mandates were really neo-liberal in general. Hollande mandate was actually more so than Sarkozy's, because the street was much more cautious and keen to react with the later. So, socialists are almost dead thanks to themselves, the right wing is drowning with Fillon, and, dare I say, rightfully so (huhuhu). In the current context, any winner is a loser. Lepen included. So, don't count on us to stick out of that mess.

It does not help that community tensions are at a peak, obviously, but not necessary for the most straight forward reason (racism). Problem is, communities are voters. And as communities, they are vocals, more so than individuals. They give the idea that they represent more folks than they actually do. So it's "who get the voices first" on TV every day now, for our leaders wannabes. Programs? Ideas? Convictions? Meh, who cares.

I might add, France is so corrupted that there is no way anyone should look up to it to serve as an example of virtue.
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Thanks for sharing your views.

To me Benoît Hamon seems ok, and surprisingly is a genuine left wing candidate (as opposed to Gauche caviar, so to speak). Could there be some chance of him ending up with Bernie Sanders type support?

What is your take on Emmanuel Macron? He seems to be leading in the polls currently (to be the one to beat LePen on the 2nd round).
 

Gédéon_Lecanard

Gédéon_Lecanard
Adept said:
Thanks for sharing your views.

To me Benoît Hamon seems ok, and surprisingly is a genuine left wing candidate (as opposed to Gauche caviar, so to speak). Could there be some chance of him ending up with Bernie Sanders type support?

What is your take on Emmanuel Macron? He seems to be leading in the polls currently (to be the one to beat LePen on the 2nd round).
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Hamon is the most reasonnable choice to me too. Him beating Valls at the socialist primaires was a good surprise, and proof enough that people didn't want yet another "realistic" left wing on the run, but a real, more social, less market friendly alternative. And that, I believe he is. He also did not hesitate to leave the government as soon as he felt he was in complete disagreement with its politic, and that is a feat by itself in that country. So it can be said that he is more honest than most other candidates.

Macron... he is very much your stereotypical liar, opportunistic traitor. When he claimed "honesty forces me to say that I'm not a socialist" after having been a member of the party for more than 15 years and a minister in its government for 2 years -until the end, as opposed to Hamon- that did say much about the amount of honesty that snake packs. My father was mad to think he would be forced to vote for him. Hamon victory was quite a relief to him.

I suppose Macron is certainly not the worst possibility if you look at the whole picture. As it stands, he's about to catch many voices on the right side, which is good. But he is full of air. No program at all, and I mean zilch, nada. You'd be hard pressed to find a trace of even a draft. That's actually why it's hard to criticise him on what really counts (his program). He's all talk, and nothing to back up his will to lead the country. As a minister, his only feat was the writing of the new work law (hidden behind your average incompetent placeholder minister, Myriam El khomri). A text that made a lot of big corporations happy, small businesses less so, and workers downright furious.
 

Adept

Adept
Gédéon_Lecanard said:
Hamon is the most reasonnable choice to me too. Him beating Valls at the socialist primaires was a good surprise, and proof enough that people didn't want yet another "realistic" left wing on the run, but a real, more social, less market friendly alternative. And that, I believe he is. He also did not hesitate to leave the government as soon as he felt he was in complete disagreement with its politic, and that is a feat by itself in that country. So it can be said that he is more honest than most other candidates.

Macron... he is very much your stereotypical liar, opportunistic traitor. When he claimed "honesty forces me to say that I'm not a socialist" after having been a member of the party for more than 15 years and a minister in its government for 2 years -until the end, as opposed to Hamon- that did say much about the amount of honesty that snake packs. My father was mad to think he would be forced to vote for him. Hamon victory was quite a relief to him.

I suppose Macron is certainly not the worst possibility if you look at the whole picture. As it stands, he's about to catch many voices on the right side, which is good. But he is full of air. No program at all, and I mean zilch, nada. You'd be hard pressed to find a trace of even a draft. That's actually why it's hard to criticise him on what really counts (his program). He's all talk, and nothing to back up his will to lead the country. As a minister, his only feat was the writing of the new work law (hidden behind your average incompetent placeholder minister, Myriam El khomri). A text that made a lot of big corporations happy, small businesses less so, and workers downright furious.
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Thanks again, and it seems like I've been right in rooting for Hamon. Good luck guys :)
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
In all the polls, Le Pen is eliminated in the second round against any opponent. The Pen will probably be in the second round. But the election seems impossible to reach for Marine. However the polls ... we saw for the Brexit and Trump
 

Boomer Kay

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Gédéon_Lecanard said:
I suppose Macron is certainly not the worst possibility if you look at the whole picture. As it stands, he's about to catch many voices on the right side, which is good. But he is full of air. No program at all, and I mean zilch, nada. You'd be hard pressed to find a trace of even a draft.
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The question is rather, if he knows that and is willing to delegate the actual work creating a workeable solution to the right people, which include the socialists.
As it stands now, the conservative forces have led over time to an unacceptable distribution of prosperity and security, however a too social program will just end up with noone left to pay the bills, so in the end we will need a mixed government who represent our respective interest and look for the consent, not foul compromise.

Schäuble f.ex. is actually annoying me at the moment - big time. He's promising useless tax cuts to german middle class (sounds like a good idea, but I did the math, that would give me less than 30 Euro more a month, and I do pay actually quite a lot of taxes), while at the same time bullying Greece and re-starting that stupid Grexit discussion, just to look good for the election.
That idea is such an incredible, nonsense, I cannot grasp it and my fellow "upper middle classians" are obviously a bunch of idiots. Giving us a 30EUR/month tax break achieves exactly nothing. It will not trigger some huge purchasing surge (I can afford the best quality of everything I need already and 30 bucks will not bridge the gap to "luxury" items), whereas at the lower end of the income spectrum, where there is less people in germany (it's about 30:60:10), you could offer much larger sums per capita and raising an income from 550 to 650 or 700 leads almost immediately to higher consumption, whereas raising it from 5000 to 5030 .. does not much.

And Europe needs a "social network" on state level, that re-starts failing economies, rather than letting them crash uncontrolledly - this does not go "cost neutral", even if they're not part of some EU network. That's not "socialist", that's just fricking common sense.
 
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pippo

pippo
Tu perds ton temps, canard.
Va jeter un oeil sur le brexit thread et tu comprendra a qui tu as affaire... une armee de petit soldats de la bien pensance.
 

Adept

Adept
pippo said:
Tu perds ton temps, canard.
Va jeter un oeil sur le brexit thread et tu comprendra a qui tu as affaire... une armee de petit soldats de la bien pensance.
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translates to:

" You're wasting your time, duck.

Go and take a look at the brexit thread and you will understand who you are dealing with ... an army of small soldiers of good thinking."

Why post in French on an English language forum, in a thread where we're discussing things in English? You're welcome to participate of course, but this is not an effective way to do it.
 

Minonian

Banned
Minonian
What i interested in, what france awaits from a woman whom sold off her own father for the sake of power? Her father is a hard core nancy? Yeah... So what? I can hardly imagine from someone like her to end corruption, especially if we take account her money came from the world greatest maffia state.

If even family is not holy? If there is no borders what you can't cross? You can do a lot of things for victory. After all, this is in a sense of word war, but even war have it's own rules, and politics is a dirty game. But there is a difference between to do what you must, because there is no other way, and this kind of moves!

If you ready and willing to betray your beloved ones for power?

Now... Try to explain this! Try to came out untainted from it!
 
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lysan

lysan
Minonian said:
What i interested in, what france awaits from a woman whom sold off her own father for the sake of power? Her father is a hard core nancy? Yeah... So what? I can hardly imagine from someone like her to end corruption, especially if we take account her money came from the world greatest maffia state.

If even family is not holy? If there is no borders what you can't cross? You can do a lot of things for victory. After all, this is in a sense of word war, but even war have it's own rules, and politics is a dirty game. But there is a difference between to do what you must, because there is no other way, and this kind of moves!

If you ready and willing to betray your beloved ones for power?

Now... Try to explain this! Try to came out untainted from it!
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She will appear as a savior, that ofc will not be true, however that is how she will be projected, and she will win.

We will see more violence, more "terrorism" and it will all play right into the hands of her party. Get ready the wind of change are blowing across Europe....

Because the EU has failed, it couldn't protect its population and now they are helpless watching the dismantling of the EU.
 
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Minonian

Banned
Minonian
Yeeeeaaaah. Saviour. It's hard to belíve once you realise what i just written down.
The thing is she can't go above a limit, because the things i just written down, and because the HC nancy fanboys around her.

And the thing is? She can't make out a marty or hero of herself with things like this, or her latest stunt with the islam. Because her past and moves are just way too dark. To martyrdom you must be a hero, wrongly accused? that's makes you a martyr. But when they are rightfully accusing you? She either explain it, (next to impossible) or she can say goodbye to her plans.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39141391

With deeds this dark? You can't be a hero.
Not to mention her patron means motives and moves became clear. Too much! She already reached the ceiling. And from there she can only go down. This is not mud thrown onto her, but real blackness.
 
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EISENHORN01

EISENHORN01
Thanks folks cheered me up no end another hand wringing post from the "left wing liberal head stuck in the sand woe betide me everyone else is a racist because their opinion is different than me" gang. Keep up the good work when ever I need a laugh after a crappy day I just come find your posts on here.
 
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