In the light of events in Greece and more generally, how the European institutions operate and the policies of the European Union, can we say that a bourgeois oligarchy appropriated Europe ?
General / Off-Topic The European Union is a dictatorship ?
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The tiny little countries actually think they are world powers when russia, china, japan, usa actually rule the planet with finances and military. Someday when ppl realize all of us want the luxuries in life. Food, clothing and shelter mebbee a chance to go fishin.
A bit strong worded but I totally agree.
Domination of core Europe, abolishment of civil rights, expansion to the east. Germany went wrong a while ago by using war as a means, rather than economical pressure, blackmailing etc.
And I say that as a German who emigrated out of the EU some years back. Living outside, I see that the EU exerts a lot of pressure on non-member countries to conform to their agenda, even if that violates sovereignity.
The EU also keeps their citizens down, in terms of mobility, income and education by means of high taxes and low wages.
Subversion,and the slow stealthy way of introducing things has always been more succesful.
Does the public not like the controversial tax increase? Just retract it with a lot of media coverage, next you introduce it again a couple of years later and nobody will even notice it.
The system is rotten to the core. In the US and Europe in general we are ruled by a corporate oligarchy.
The renown professor Noam Chomsky has written several book about it, but unlike he I am not hopeful that we will be able to change this.
When the elite (f.e. financial sector) screw things over the poor have to pay and get poorer and the rich get richer again.
Hitlers dream was the erradication of the Jewish people from history (even their gravestones were ground up for gravel to use on pathways), the subjugation of black people as slaves, along with the elevation of a race of blonde-haired blue-eyed super men who would rule the earth.
The EU has a social chapter which is:
"promotion of employment, improving living and working conditions, proper social protection, dialogue between management and labour, the development of human resources with a view to lasting high employment and the combating of exclusion."
Yeah, I see the swastikas already.
No, this is no recent development. It was always a Union of the money and the corporations. Heck, it even started as an economy-centric organization, and has never really moved far away from these roots.
That said, for all its deep flaws, we are still better off with the EU, than we ever were without.
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Wasnt a unified Europe Napoleons thing? From what i remember only Portugal and Britain said no way boney this led to the so called napoleonic wars. He didnt like the fact that britain owned most the worldwide trade routes.
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I sincerely doubt the UK will leave the EU.
If the vote is in favour of leaving, it is almost guaranteed that the very next day, another arrangement will emerge with almost exactly the same effects.
I have to agree that we are better off by a huge margin with the EU. Free movement of money, labour, goods.
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Yes and Churchil thing as well. Remember him, the guy who gave us the ECHR?
Dictatorship is a form of government where political authority is monopolized by one person or one political entity, and exercised through various mechanisms to ensure the entity's power remains strong.
So the answer to the question is no; the EU is a voluntary group of political entities of nation states to begin with. Greece and the UK are having referendums to decide if they wish to remain in the EU. They cannot be forced to stay in.
So the answer to the question is no; the EU is a voluntary group of political entities of nation states to begin with. Greece and the UK are having referendums to decide if they wish to remain in the EU. They cannot be forced to stay in.
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One should also consider that without the EU, we'd still all live in a plutocracy. It'd just be many smaller nation-flavoured variants of the same thing.
Dont remember reading that anywhere surfinjo, the georgian era is more my thing but will look into it thanks for the info.
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Yeah, we've tried really hard to keep Greece in the fold. But they got themselves into their own mess. I live in Italy and they've got themselves into a mess as well.
I think it's tragic if Greece leaves the EU. It sends the wrong signal. And most people see 'Evil Europe' not 'Damned Greek Corruption That Got Them Into This Mess'.
I think it's tragic if Greece leaves the EU. It sends the wrong signal. And most people see 'Evil Europe' not 'Damned Greek Corruption That Got Them Into This Mess'.
Yes, it is. Kearf put it very well. And the idea that Greece did to itself what is going through is not so simple at all. If they say 'yes', long live slavery to the EU, coz that's what Greece will become: life long slaves. If they say no, they'll be but the first to leave this band of powerful mafiosos. Soon EU will be but a bad dream (I wish. Well, many of us do).
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They'll vote yes because when it comes down to it, nothing is more important to an individual than the money in their pocket. As soon as they lost unfettered access to their money it was a forgone conclusion. Nothing, neither pride nor nationalism, is more important than money. Sure they'll lose more in the long run, but most aren't smart enough to understand what is going on.
You mean free movement of goods, labour, money?
But but... Conspirations are more interesting... This is the internet after all... !?
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Actually, the EU was a dream of Winston Churchill's after the end of the 2nd world war, and the goal was to bring Europe together to try and avoid any further devastating wars.
So, in fact it's the total opposite of your claim.