The game's reward system

Gonna whine a little. Sorry. Please understand that my comments are regarding Exobiology only.

Just got back from 2.5 solid weeks doing exobiology. My goal, for lack of a better one, is the Elite status. I have been grinding on it for months. At first it was interesting. Now it's a grind. And that's okay, all games become a grind eventually.

I spent these last 2.5 weeks 7500+ ly out. Most of my exobiology scores were First Footfall in systems I was also the first to FSS scan. If I had an extra 45 minutes, I'd jump into the game to eke out a little more progress in addition to the 2-3 hours each evening. Weekends, I'd spend 3 hours in the afternoon in addition to the evening hours.

So, I'm keeping track and I have 135 scans in the bag, with tons of new system data to boot. Better head back and hand in, just in case.

I hand it in and get, I dunno, another 2 billion. Here's my moment of glory for all of that effort and... nothing. I left a Geneticist and I am still a Geneticist.

I have a 2 billion more credits to spend on nothing.

Instead of a feeling of accomplishment, I felt nothing but disappointment. Weeks of effort and it's like the needle barely moved on anything. No reward whatsoever.

In most games, a player's effort is rewarded in some way. Not here. I can't even use the money to purchase a faster ship. Or an exobiology scanner that can hold two samples. Or have a longer detection range. Or an onboard scanner that gives more accurate planetary data for biomes when landing. Or an advanced scanner that will show biology that a regular scanner can't see. Or access to an exclusive engineer.

Instead, there is nothing. Even money is meaningless. My reward is I have to go and do it all over again. And then have even more money I can't use to benefit my craft.

In most games, the amount of 'points' you have to score to attain the next rank increases with each rank, but it's offset by benefits of having achieved the last rank, with more effective gear etc as out lined above. Not here.

Feh. I'll stop now. Just disappointed that people who design games do not understand game design, the thing that keeps the player interested in jumping through the hoops.
 
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I think the lack of typical game like progress in terms of enhancements is down to the sim like aspects of ED.

I reached Elite in exobiology back in September which earned me the last bit of the shiny red suit. I have been exploring and bio sampling since then because I am meandering my way out to SagA* and while the achievement aspect of my efforts is mainly focused on filling out my copy of the Codex the credit rewards are useful as they let me pay people to supply Tritium to my carrie.

I was somewhat surprised when I got the message that I had reached Elite II in exobiology only ten and a bit weeks after reaching Elite, I was expecting it to take longer.
 
You can't buy a faster ship? That's something you can usually do. 🤷‍♂️

Yes, Creds are meaningless. Part of that is because to make plant scanning "better" they blew out the payout for it. But rank is based on creds, so they had to blow out the rank levels with the payout, so, yeah, your rank will rise slowly despite your billions. But at least you're halfway to a fleet carrier. 😂
 
If you're going to grind its going to be tough and stressful, best to just let it flow naturally.
Ive never ground out a rank yet im Elite V in Trade and Exploration which are my main activities.
Elite combat again came from mission running and ground reactivation missions for materials (oddly enough).
I too am only Taxonomist in Exo but it will come, there's no rush, best just to play and not worry about it.

O7
 
I have a 2 billion more credits to spend on nothing.
I'm confused. You already own all the ships in the game and a fleet carrier? I've got 30bn of assets and credits so far and I still have a big shopping list of ships to get for various activities.

I'm currently enjoying exobiology. It's a lovely casual activity that I can do with my son in Elite. He's 9 and he's currently thrilled to zoom around scanning plants and earn oodles of credits for doing so. For an hour playing we joyously drop in on a planet, scan 40m worth of plants, he'll laugh at me boosting into the ground while trying to buzz him in his SRV and then I'll laugh at the rebuy screen. Sometimes I'll earn some credits and gain a little in rank. Rank progression is slow but noticeable (tracking it in inara) and it wont take me too long to hit elite at this pace given regular play sessions.

What will I do with this credit reward? My current shopping list is for a new round of prismatics. I think I can spend a further 3bn on enough prismatics (and ships to store them) to last me for any further builds requirements.

My next ships to build though are:
An exploration dolphin
A PvP capable big ship (I'm aware this is not optimal or meta, I just want a brawler)
Revise my clipper for better piracy (again, this ship is not optimal for the role I just want to make it fit)
Fuel rail conda
Death star conda
Meme t10 (probably pack hounds, maybe force shells)

All that just remains a short list and will probably cost me another 2bn before I've even got into the rest of the long list.

So what's your reward and what can you spend it on? You have 2bn and you can't spend it? Honestly. I'm still struggling with my 30bn to find enough credits for all the ship combinations I want to try. (First galaxy problems).
 
Did you reload the game, after you turned everything in?
I would second that. If in doubt, relog. I don't know how accurate the wiki is, but according to it you need a total profit of 2.2 billion for the rank above taxonomist.

I think the lack of typical game like progress in terms of enhancements is down to the sim like aspects of ED.
That's the thing. If you do stuff in ED for rewards or glory, you set yourself up for disappointment. You do stuff for doing the stuff, not for rewards.
 
You can't buy a faster ship? That's something you can usually do. 🤷‍♂️
Can I? I know I can engineer a ship that can jump further, and I have. But I've not really seen anything I can spend credits on that will improve on what I have now for the purposes of exobiology.
 
That's the thing. If you do stuff in ED for rewards or glory, you set yourself up for disappointment. You do stuff for doing the stuff, not for rewards.

By reward, I mean the ability to perform the job better. Combat pilots can buy more powerful weapons, shields, etc. There's nothing comparable for Exobiology.

And btw, I meant Geneticist, not Taxonomist. My bad.
 
I'm currently enjoying exobiology. It's a lovely casual activity that I can do with my son in Elite. He's 9 and he's currently thrilled to zoom around scanning plants and earn oodles of credits for doing so. For an hour playing we joyously drop in on a planet, scan 40m worth of plants, he'll laugh at me boosting into the ground while trying to buzz him in his SRV and then I'll laugh at the rebuy screen.
Well that settles it, OP either needs to get a son (if he hasn't already) or get his son interested in ED as well.
 
Well that settles it, OP either needs to get a son (if he hasn't already) or get his son interested in ED as well.
Well, perhaps he's hit the nail on the head: Exobiology is a casual activity that I'm treating like my sole goal.

But it's what brought me to the game in the first place. I saw the pics and thought it looked cool, and it is. But there's no carrot, just the stick.

I dunno. Maybe I need to try combat and blow stuff up. That might be more satisfying.
 
Can I? I know I can engineer a ship that can jump further, and I have. But I've not really seen anything I can spend credits on that will improve on what I have now for the purposes of exobiology.
Well, what are you currently using for exobio? If it's a E grade Sidey there's definitely room for growth. 😄
 
IIRC the first discovery bonus isn't counted for the rank calculation.
For myself my main just achieved Triple Elite having been double since waaay back on console. Most of the combat has been AX.
With the Ody ranks my main is collector and soldier though my alts have Geneticist and Warrior.
Like everything worthwhile it takes effort and the value of the ranks is what they mean to you and how you got there. If they were easy they wouldn't be valued.
 
IIRC the first discovery bonus isn't counted for the rank calculation.
I think it is. Elite V appears to require about 30.5 billion total profit from exobio scans, and my experience in watching progress bar increases roughly works out with what I have earned form hand-ins, first discovery included(said number also only makes sense if you include those first discoveries).

Another supporting point - wiki lists Elite III as 21.56 billion. I am 72% through Elite II, with inara saying I’ve earned 20,672,548,900 credits from scans (and, roughly, 4/5 of that first logged bonus… not that I’ve done the exact math).
 
I think it is. Elite V appears to require about 30.5 billion total profit from exobio scans, and my experience in watching progress bar increases roughly works out with what I have earned form hand-ins, first discovery included(said number also only makes sense if you include those first discoveries).

Another supporting point - wiki lists Elite III as 21.56 billion. I am 72% through Elite II, with inara saying I’ve earned 20,672,548,900 credits from scans (and, roughly, 4/5 of that first logged bonus… not that I’ve done the exact math).
I needed 11B from Elite2-50% to Elite5, I confirm the numbers in the wiki. The problem was the exobio profit and latter rank rebalance, that did something strange to numbers.

I was stuck in Elite2, because they rebalance ranks with the new payment, but didn't removed the rank. So I was Elite2, but with a debt of some billions to fix, before adding more rank.

To Jmatt, you did Exobiology, but didn't improve from the experience. For my previous link, I did my own research using tricks from Canonn and JJGoldberg, and made 500M/hour at start, down to 200M/hour at the end. I have 11,2B in 6 days... but the real prize is knowledge that helped other players in reddit. Also discovered a new lifeform on Izanami sector and take part in a great expedition. I feel completed as Exobiologist, rank and profit is only a confirmation.

The game put the stick, but you need to find the carrot. For me, was knowledge, testing, and the rank as bonus. Trader use broken Golconda CG, did Exploration5 1 month before on Ammonia Worlds CG (before 3x rank bonus) and was my second Elite V... and from here, I discover the pleasure for finding the best method to reach Rank V in everything, including Inara awards, but for finding the method, not for the reward. Other players find the carrot in making great screenshots to share in #StellarScreenshots or the Inara Gallery for the Photographer Ribbon.
 
Well, perhaps he's hit the nail on the head: Exobiology is a casual activity that I'm treating like my sole goal.

But it's what brought me to the game in the first place. I saw the pics and thought it looked cool, and it is. But there's no carrot, just the stick.

I dunno. Maybe I need to try combat and blow stuff up. That might be more satisfying.
The only carrot in Exobiology is the various suits that you can only acquire from getting the ranks to unlock them, but that stops at Elite.

Actually ignoring the ranks there isn’t much in Elite Dangerous that can only be acquired by doing one activity, ships are available for credits mostly and the ranks to unlock the others can be obtained by all sorts of activities. Some of the engineering and Guardian based stuff is a little more focussed but then doesn’t seem like a carrot.
 
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