"The good pirate"

+Can PvP piracy be done with integrity and in the true spirit of the game without taking the pleasure of the gaming experience away from other players?
-I like to believe so!

+So what would such a pirate be like?
-The short answer: Me!

-The long answer: first of all let us get one thing perfectly clear. Piracy is not about killing other commanders. It is about player interaction – stealing only a little of players' cargo and adding fun and excitement to the game for all. After all how much excitement would there be in trading if there were no pirates? The NPC pirates do not give that much of a challenge once you get a decent ship.

So here are my golden rules of PvP piracy (that I'd wish all pirates would follow):


  • Pirates are not killers! We only kill in self-defense or if there is no other way.
  • Take no more than you need (feds will come any second – you can’t scoop more than a few handfuls).
  • Fighting is bad for business. Words are better than lasers.
  • Be polite to your “customers”. After all they are the ones putting butter on your bread.

Ingame I like to identify myself with a character as Jack Sparrow. The dashing pirate with a quick wit and a large amount of humor. Well maybe I wear a bit less eyeshadow...

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So piracy is not about trampling other people into the dust. When I interdict a juicy player T9 I will usually ask for 15-20 tons of their 450 tons cargo (25 if the day has been REALLY quiet!). That way they will still get a decent profit and I will get a little something to feed my family. Often such engagements end up in a nice conversation, but there is of course the occasional pilot who thinks he can outrun me and tries to escape. Sometimes he gets away – at other times my hatchbreaker win. Most important to me is that my piracy is done in the spirit of the game and without being a jerk. There is really no reason to kill other players unless there is no other way.
Piracy has got a bad name in ED because many jerks hide behind the label of piracy to do their griefing killing players for no reason other than their own ego. I belive that PIRACY DONE RIGHT will add to the fun and excitement for BOTH hunter and prey – and I have several people on my friendlist who were some of my former prey as a proof of this.

I would never touch an NPC when I pirate. They offer no challenge and act completely illogical or outright stupid. The real challenge is in pirating players. They offer a real challenge and believe it or not – very many of those I have pirated have later become my friends because they thought the way I did it was “cool” or fun. Many of these guys are positive because I didn't kill them. I am a bit shocked to hear that my colleague pirates would often kill their targets after having taken their cargo. That is just...dumb!

Now the wonderful thing happened, that I actually did find a player group who was not griefers in disguise and not crusaders believing that all pirates are griefers. The Paladin Consortium on Inara. I have joined them in my endeavor to give piracy a better name and have had a lot of support doing so. There is much work to be done because piracy is certainly in bad standing as it is, but I do believe that this can and should be changed!
If you are a commander who believe in doing piracy “the right way”, take a look at the Paladin Consortium. I’d like you in my wing!

Now if people were to ask me, “Have you killed players while doing piracy?” the answer would be yes. Some have died by accidents where we flew into each other, and others I have shot for acting overly offensive in chat or for trying to kill me. I have no morale problems with doing so. Attack a pirate and he will defend himself. I’d just rather not use weapons at all and I'd much rather not kill anyone! If people comply to my requests, I never shoot. If people run, I only take their shields and let the hatchbreaker do the rest. So I would like to stress that for me, killing is the absolutely last resort. That is the way it should be!

Pirates are not killers - Pirates are nice people who also like kittens and baby seals!

If you disagree with me, I'd be most happy to try and convince you otherwise!
 
Any pirate....good or bad....griefer or talker...can kiss my Asp goodbye....
I would rather die running than comply to "demands" of a group that can't hold a real job....:)
 
Good on you :) +1
You're my kinda pirate!
Although don't hold back on the eyeshadow, it can look good on a fella if he's got nice dark eyes like Mr Depp there...

Oh where was I?

I must admit, I'm terrible at pirating players because I spend too long trying to chat and they mostly escape! :eek:
When I do get my pirate boots on, I mainly stick to NPCs.
 
That is duly noted commander jrb. I have met people who'd rather die than hand over 5 of their precious slaves. Some pirates would probably kill them.
But if you would indulge me, then just TRY to play along next time. If you do meet a nice roleplaying pirate, try it. You might even talk him out of his demands. I respect that you do not like the piracy aspect, but I urge you to at least try the roleplay. It is quite fun once you give it a chance.

One question: I wonder why you think it is not a real job? I consider it as such. Why would bounty hunting or smuggling missions (which also can make you wanted because of the illegal aspects) be more of a real job?
 
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If piracy is your way to have fun, sure why not, go for it. For other people like me, killing another commanders is the main reason to play this game. We have ships and weapons and i really love to use them.
Disclaimer: i really tried piracy but in the end piracy is way more boring versus hunting another commanders in RES sites, enemy power play systems etc etc.
 
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Commander Marra! I will use a lot of eyeshadow next time. I actually always wanted to try that. I have got semidark eyes...where was I...

Yes, you are completely right. Using a lot of time to chat with someone who tries to escape can be quite challenging! Actually the gentle art of piracy is about being able to write REALLY fast on your keyboard while giving chase :p
Once you get used to it, you can pull it off. Another option is to copy and paste some initial messages to make your prey stop.

If you like, you are most welcome to add me ingame Commander Marra. (I am commander "Smoelken") - I will take you along on a journey of dashing engagments and abundant amounts of eyeshadow!
 
As I said to another pirate earlier today, "I think we'd get along fine" - Don't get me wrong, you wont see me meekly sitting there dead in space waiting for you but I'll be maintaining a constant speed, not spamming the boost key and while the guns may be deployed, just in case, I'll be talking not firing... unless you start shooting first of course ;)
 
Commander Kazacy: if killing other players is your way of playing the game, then go right ahead. I hope I do not meet you :p But at least you have the honor and decency of admitting what you are - a cold hearted killer. You don't hide behind the label of piracy. I respect that.

Commander DaveB: I like your attitude. We should definitely meet. Be sure to bring 150 slaves :p
 
+Can PvP piracy be done with integrity and in the true spirit of the game without taking the pleasure of the gaming experience away from other players?
-I like to believe so!

So here are my golden rules of PvP piracy (that I'd wish all pirates would follow):


Pirates are not killers! We only kill in self-defense or if there is no other way.
Take no more than you need (feds will come any second – you can’t scoop more than a few handfuls).
Fighting is bad for business. Words are better than lasers.
Be polite to your “customers”. After all they are the ones putting butter on your bread.

I disagree. While you have a nice polite non adversarial manner, the game does not. Projecting your niceness onto a rule set that enables bullying behavior and tactics is nativity. I applaud your core but unfortunately specious assumptions.

Good luck being nice to your victims in a cut-throat galaxy Mr gentleman pirate.
 
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Nice to see another good pirate player in the game, there's too many vocal ones who just shoot people and claim to be pirates. I tried the pirating life, realized that with the way the game is currently set up, it's a rather boring profession. Being wanted means...nothing. I was perfectly safe sitting outside Gorbachev station blasting all the system authority vessels in my Clipper and then docking AT Gorbachev station to reload and repair...that ain't right.

Once the security level bits of the BGS are actually working, I may give up spending all my time out in the Black to be a pirate again.
 
Thank you commander Jaeger. I think I completely understand what you are saying.

One thing I have to stress though. I do not do it for the money for lets face it -my way of piracy is not very economical for me. After repairs, refuels and rearms I ususally only get a meagre profit if any. I do this for fun - and I do seriously believe that it can be fun both for me and my prey.

Also this is only a cut-throat galaxy because players make it so. I know I cannot change the way of the game, but I will still do it my way in the belief that "the gentle art of piracy done right" will inspire more players out there.

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Commander Kristov: be sure to call me once you get back and things are as they should be. I do completely agree with you. Some things are just not right in that regard.
 
You get a rep for being an honest pirate, however as and when you interdict me I will be somewhat hostile as theres no way to discern between an honest pirate such as yourself , an evil pirate who does "your money or your life", then shoots you after you dump 10 tons of gold, and the out and out psycho who drags you out of SC and blows you up regardless.

And since I'm a regular on the Altair-Lave rares run, I could be carrying anywhere between 0 and 1.5 million in cargo.... so my response to a challenge could be quite different :p

Bill

"But I'll always dump an alien egg for any pirate.... lets see you get a facehugger off..":eek: :D
 
Piracy exciting for all? Can't say I've ever found having stuff stolen from me exciting, in real life or in a game. I'd describe it with words I can't use here without getting a ban maybe, but 'exciting' ain't one of them.
 
I do hope I meet you commander William J Smith. You wont believe how fast I can write and convince you, that you are in the hands of the gentlest privateer out there ;)

Actually I hear you perfectly clear and I meet many people who try to run or do something silly without reading or believing what I write. IF I get the chance after my hatchbreaker is done, I write them a farewell message while they charge their jump drive saying something like this: "Next time you meet me, you should consider just doing what I say. Then you'd get away with more cargo and an intact shield. Fly safe and have a very nice day"
 
We need more pirates like you. Not that I'm saying that I won't turn & fight if interdicted (unless I'm flying a space cow...which I don't see myself doing without an escort), but it would be good to have good interactions w/ pirates. Then again...I'm the type of pilot that refuses to fly a defenseless ship, and when interdicted I'm "shoot first, shoot again, shoot last, and keep shooting til they're a cloud of space junk or until I have to run away". A good interaction in chat would probably get me to hold my fire though ;)
 
I like your attitude. We should definitely meet. Be sure to bring 150 slaves :p

Sorry, That's something I don't usually trade in. You might catch me with about 225 of certain other valuable goods that will all sell for greater than 1000cr/t more than I paid for them within two or three jumps of wherever we met ;) Depending on what the commodity I'm hauling is, though, I'll likely not agree to lose 150, that's more than half of my Python's hold and unless I paid less than 1000 per ton for it you'll be causing me to make a loss on the run.

Insist on a tax that high and well, that's why I fit the best guns I can afford on a multirole ship rather than fly a Lakon eggshell ;) Even if I thought I couldn't take you, I'd try and hold you off until the criime report summoned security, maybe drop a few cans as a distraction.. chase me or scoop 'em before the old bill turns up or we get far enough away that they de-rez.. your call. Much better to discuss things like gentlemen and agree a reasonable exchange, isnt it :) you'll get more out of me that way than by being greedy :D
 
Commander JoasiahD: this is nothing like stealing in real life. This is a game remember? In other games people shoot each other in the head - it is not very much fun to be shot in the head in real life I suppose. I do not follow your logic but feel free to say your piece. I am sure they wont banning you for speaking your mind. I know what I do and how people react to it. I hold on to my belief that this can be fun for both parts and I do actually have people on my friendlist who think it is (even former victims)

Commander tiger61378: I'd expect nothing less of an armed ship. I like a good engagement but if I see myself loosing, I'd try and jump away. A key to being a successful pirate (the right way) is to interdict targets you know you can handle. For bigger targets I recommend you bring some wingmen as a pirate.

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Commander DaveB: you misunderstand me. If you had 150 cargo I'd take 10% no more. I like people to have a lot of cargo so they will still have a profit after I take a small share.
 
Pirates, even the psycho type, add some interest to the game. It is good to see that some players are "getting it right" though.
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I had a player in a T-9 try to interdict my iClipper. Bit of a greedy pirate I thought. I submitted, as I thought I would just chat and run. Unfortunately, even when submitting I managed to escape the interdiction. I guess a T-9 is only ever going to succeed in interdicting another T-9.
 
Commander Limoncello Lizard: That sounds like fun! Actually a friend gave me a challenge to try and pirate in a T6 and make videos of my struggles. I did and it was quite fun though I had to pay the rebuy cost a few times before I got it right. I named her "The Cherub" for obvious reasons... I do most of my privateering in my faithful clipper though
 
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