General / Off-Topic The ice floe could have totally melted by summer, 2017

[Patrick_68000]

Professor Emeritus of the University of Cambridge Peter Wadhams says that the Arctic Ocean could see all of its sea ice disappear by the summer of 2017, even in the fall 2016. A first for 100 000-120 000 years ---- http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-years-claims-leading-scientist-a7065781.html

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

But the American republicans say that the scientists are communist liars.....who should we believe lol ? Seriously, this is a serious problem, i think governments are sleepwalking into it.

 

[Surfinjo]

But the American republicans say that the scientists are communist liars.....who should we believe lol ? Seriously, this is a serious problem, i think governments are sleepwalking into it.

The real problem is there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.

It's nature I'm afraid.

All the claims that cutting this and that have been, at least, partially achieved, yet no change of any kind to the pace of the climate change.

Or so we are being continually told. Though I'm still a little curious about the claims, in the 90s, that the sea levels would rise by a metre by 2012.

 

[Minonian]

But the American republicans say that the scientists are communist liars.....who should we believe lol ? Seriously, this is a serious problem, i think governments are sleepwalking into it.

Nah! just the dumb politicians. Luckily the generation what takes seriously are already grown up.
But we can only pray they can act in time.

All the claims that cutting this and that have been, at least, partially achieved, yet no change of any kind to the pace of the climate change.

Not true. All the claims are solidly proven they are just denying it.

When over 90% percent of the scientific community agrees on it, and only some energy industry funded / intrested scientist politicians and journalist speaking against it? Than we can take it for sure.

 

[glynie]

Check out a movie called "Merchants of Doubt". Climate change is real and driven by us.

Ice melting in the oceans isn't too much of a problem, but as the ice on land melts - that's pretty serious.
There are other serious problems caused by increase of temperature too, like changing weather systems.

 

[Surfinjo]

Nah! just the dumb politicians. Luckily the generation what takes seriously are already grown up.
But we can only pray they can act in time.



Not true. All the claims are solidly proven they are just denying it.

When over 90% percent of the scientific community agrees on it, and only some energy industry funded / intrested scientist politicians and journalist speaking against it? Than we can take it for sure.

I wasn't denying that the climate is changing. I certainly don't need that old chestnut about the scientific community, since I know how science works.

I maintain there is nothing any of us can do about it.

The world has moved over to low energy light bulbs, simply because they are so much cheaper. Reducing the energy needed to light one room for an evening from 100Watts to 3, multiplied by the number of rooms in the world should have created a significant reduction is global energy,

Equally, the Cars are much more efficient than they were. I don;t drive any more myself, but my last car, with computer control and fuel injection was a lot cheaper.

CFCs have been almost eliminated.

If human activity has contributed to climate change then its simply too late.

Forests, globally, continue to be cut down at an alarming rate. What exactly can you or I or anyone else on this forum do about that? What exactly can anyone in any part of Europe do about it?

It's over. It's time to prepare for the climate to come. There is no alternative.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

China, India, Russia, the US and EU have a responsibility to at least try and save our planet, it might be too late to avoid permanent change but if the right wing deniers have their greedy way then the entire human race, or at least civilisation as we know it, might not make it to the end of the century.

 

[Minonian]

If human activity has contributed to climate change then its simply too late.

There is no if. It's human activity. And yes you are right about the second part too late to stop it, but we can slow it, and eventually halt it, and by doing so we give mother nature a fighting chance. Time to cope with the changes.
But to continue the way we was done before, keep doing the things what we done before what caused the climate changes, it's the worst possible course of action and the worst possible excuse what i ever heard to do this, it's not our fault!

Well, whenever it's our fault or not? We can do against it. We have the power. If we strong enough to cause this than we also strong enough to do something about it.

 

[Patrick_68000]

There is no if. It's human activity

Yes the man is disrespectful to his fellowmen, but more serious also with the nature

 

[Parmo]

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If we strong enough to cause this than we also strong enough to do something about it.

I don't think winking is a sign of strength.
Your supposition is incorrect: the 'strength' of the human species has not caused the current global environment.
It's the natural instinct of each individual human being, past and present, to live and breed that has caused it.
As always, strengths become weaknesses and success becomes failure.
The foxes trapped in the chicken coop have eaten nearly all the chickens and eggs.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

I don't think winking is a sign of strength.
Your supposition is incorrect: the 'strength' of the human species has not caused the current global environment.
It's the natural instinct of each individual human being, past and present, to live and breed that has caused it.
As always, strengths become weaknesses and success becomes failure.
The foxes trapped in the chicken coop have eaten nearly all the chickens and eggs.

Well i for one don't think we should give up, there could still be another three or four generations of humans that we (or the governments) could help to live in a civilised world before the west becomes a dystopian wasteland.

 

[Surfinjo]

There is no if. It's human activity. And yes you are right about the second part too late to stop it, but we can slow it, and eventually halt it, and by doing so we give mother nature a fighting chance. Time to cope with the changes.
But to continue the way we was done before, keep doing the things what we done before what caused the climate changes, it's the worst possible course of action and the worst possible excuse what i ever heard to do this, it's not our fault!

Well, whenever it's our fault or not? We can do against it. We have the power. If we strong enough to cause this than we also strong enough to do something about it.

And how do we do that then?

 

[Arry]

Well i for one don't think we should give up, there could still be another three or four generations of humans that we (or the governments) could help to live in a civilised world before the west becomes a dystopian wasteland.

The human race is less than 72 hours from Anarchy; as proved by the power cuts in New York and the hurricanes hitting the coasts. 3 days to get water to the super bowl, by which time, gun law rules and the army are on the streets.

As to the OP. Personally coming from my normal bouncing my head off of the wall thoughts. I would say that the governments, basically already know, what is to come: The caps are going to melt, too late to stop that. The weather is only going to get worst, again too late to stop that. The question is, how will society going to cope with these events? Sad to say, those who see it coming and can, will just hunker down and wait out the chaos.

 

[Sunleader]

Sea levels have risen and shrunk long before Humans came around.
Forests of the size of Greenland have burned down putting more gas into the Air than Humans could manage.

And the Worlds still there.
Nature aint controllable. So brace for impact and go on.

 

[X-Terminator]

This would certainly affect the Sea Life with less FRESH WATER and therefore much less falling on the mountains across the equator. It doesn't look good and does show all reasons for global increased flooding. My town's been hit in biblical floods in last 6yrs and is in constant recovery. I think we need a POLL on what to do [rolleyes]
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Oh but last year there was 5% more Ice in the Antarctic than before. It may start half an Ice Age!

 

[Minonian]

I don't think winking is a sign of strength.
Your supposition is incorrect: the 'strength' of the human species has not caused the current global environment.

What you think is irrelevant. Global warming is an undeniable fact. And so as our part of it.

Your personal opinion?
Not a fact!

And your personal incredulity, is not a reason, but a fallacy of reason, because all of this have a stone solid proof.

 

[We Are Groot]

Sea levels have risen and shrunk long before Humans came around.
Forests of the size of Greenland have burned down putting more gas into the Air than Humans could manage.

And the Worlds still there.
Nature aint controllable. So brace for impact and go on.

No species can pollute like man or wipe out countless other species as quickly as we do.

Nature can be controlled to a degree with the right technology. We could prevent meteor impacts with enough technology and time as well as manage the climate but that would not only cost a great deal of money but would also probably require changing lifestyles and who in their right minds wants to give up the good life? Let the next generation worry about it?

 

[Minonian]

We have 2 choice, we can change our lifestyle, our civilization's way, or we can wiped out.

Pick one.

Oh but last year there was 5% more Ice in the Antarctic than before. It may start half an Ice Age!

Yeah, the melted water migrated from one pole to another its only temporary effect as soon the climate is getting warmer thats also going to melt, and the difference is because most of our industrial works and thus climate changing effects are concentrated to the northern hemisphere.

 

[Captain Willard]

We may hurry things along a bit, but there is NOTHING we can do to affect celestial mechanics. I should start 2 new environmental groups. 1. Just say no to pangaea reforming. 2."Hell no" to the north and south poles switching the earths axis. The moolah will start rolling in.

 

[Minonian]

Celestial? As far i'm aware of, the Co2 we throwing in the atmosphere, is not celestial...

But please right me if i know wrong, and it's not acts as a heat mirror.