The Ideal Flight Stick / Controller for ED?

I used CH stick and throttle for many years, and can vouch for how well they're made. It's amazing that the basic designs haven't changed in all that time, but I guess they don't need to. The last set I used was the Fighterstick and Pro Throttle, along with the CH pedals. Highly recommended as a great mid-priced HOTAS setup.

I never got along with Saitek designs. In past years, they had some reliability problems (not so true recently, I hear), and it seemed they were always fussing with futuristic layouts that weren't always that practical. The current ones look a lot better.

A couple of years ago, I decided to upgrade from the CH pedals (to Saitek Combat pedals), and that led to a complete HOTAS upgrade to a Thrustmaster Warthog set. It's very different from CH, Saitek, Logitech and the rest. All metal in the places where it counts, and both stick and throttle are very heavy, so they never jump off my flight desk. The stick sits higher than a gaming joystick, which might not work for everyone. I use it on a tilting desk surface where it's low enough.

The Warthog is the first joystick I've used where I can't feel an obvious X/Y axis under my hand. It moves freely around the center, although with a stiff centering tension. That's great for precision flying and aiming, but it's maybe not ideal for "twitch flying" in some air combat games. Works okay in Elite D though. The stiff centering tension is a bit tiring to use for marathon combat sessions... although maybe that's my age speaking. Joysticks with less spring tension are easier to use for long sessions. I remember resting my hand on the base of the CH Fighterstick and steering the stick with my fingertips on some games. Can't do that with the Warthog. It's a full hands-on stick.... a manly man's stick... puts hair on your chest.

I usually don't use the "Target" programming software with the Warthog on most sims, because the ones I fly (including Elite D) have config screens that work well enough. But if you need things like macro strings, the software works pretty well.

My one complaint about the Warthog, and it's not all that bad, is that because it's a literal copy of an A-10 stick and throttle, the switches on the throttle quadrant are not as flexible as they could be for different types of games. It could use a couple more analog axis switches or roller wheels, and the toggle switches are a bit tricky to figure out. Otherwise, it's a great HOTAS.
 
Been using my X-52 Pro ever since it first came out (7-8 years now I think), still works great and it's perfect for ED. The only things I don't have assigned to it are landing gear and the lights. I even have vertical thrust on a slider. :D

Also, I too noticed that the in cockpit controls are rather similar to it. They are just different enough to not be a straight copy, but it's clear what the 3d modeler uses.

I've heard good things about the X-55 Rhino as well, but dual throttle control isn't of much use in a game like this and it is more expensive. The general consensus seems to be that it's about the same in quality (or slightly higher to the X-52 Pro.
 
what about old joysticks?

Hi all
My 1st post on here :)

I was hoping to use my old ms sidewinder force feedback 2 & belkin t52 extra keyboard....
I am now thinking that this might be seriously deficient :(

I have no other user for the sidewinder, so eBay it is for that. I should get around £50, so which would be the best investment - the thrust-master t-flight, or the saitek x52? (I won't be able to stretch past £100)

John
 
I bought the Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X and found it was a great joystick for pretty much everything... except combat. If you were using fixed weapons the accuracy of the joystick let it down.

So I sold it and bought a X52 pro. After what seemed like an eternity getting all the controls mapped the way I liked them it is absolutely fantastic. Great for combat. I also find that I yaw while rolling quite often (particularly if I've knocked flight assist off for some dog fighting dance moves) so I need the stick twist missing from CH products.

My only criticisms of the X52 pro are that the throttle could have more buttons where your fingers are, and less sliders, but really is nit picking. It would also be great if FD supported the MFD screen on the throttle, but I'm not entirely sure what I'd want to see displayed on it.
 
I love my x52pro - can't imagine being without it. Still not using all the buttons and wheels it offers (but maybe that is because I also use VoiceAttack).

Well worth the money but check out the pricing, it fluctuates quickly depending on who has stock.
 
For those of you using the Saitek X series HOTAS systems. How is the software? I heard there are issues with it.

Does it work like the thrustmaster software? Emulating keyboard strokes and therefore keeping the 'custom' option in the control's tab within E : D??

Thanks
 
As another poster mentioned... the Build Quality of CH is beyond superb. when Elite Dangerous started up (for me, Premium Beta) i had just replaced my non-USB CH Hotas because it was a serial port design (12 years old and still in perfect working order) i replaced it with the exact same setup except USB. the look, feel and quality construction is exactly the same as it was 12 years ago.

the one and only CON is price.. a full on HOTAS rig (Stick, Throttle and Pedals ) will set you back nearly $300.00 USD and expect that to be even higher in areas that have V.A.T. but the build quality will insure you get your monies worth as the unit can easily last a decade or more with just common sense care.

Edit: along with Voice Attack and Track Ir5 the only time i touch a mouse/keyboard is when i either start up or shut down the Elite program.. i never touch them during the game.
 
I own a x52 pro and a x55 rhino and have tried both in ED. The X55 is better all round and has a **** tonne more buttons and hats. The X52 does the job fine especially if you use VoiceAttack to make up for the lack of buttons.
 
I largely agree with Zenicetus' review of the Warthog.

I don't think there's an "ideal" Controller as it boils down to personal preference.

To me, the Warthog not being made of plastic, the rugged metal switches snapping into position with a metalic sound and the entire haptic make it ideal for me personally. However I have large hands and female friends of mine had trouble reaching everything on it...

To others, the X52s resemblance to the ingame controller migfht matter more (which it doesn't so much to me as I already had the stick for a year as I use it in other games but Elite as well...).
 
the one and only CON is price.. a full on HOTAS rig (Stick, Throttle and Pedals ) will set you back nearly $300.00 USD and expect that to be even higher in areas that have V.A.T. but the build quality will insure you get your monies worth as the unit can easily last a decade or more with just common sense care..

Don't know if this is available outside North America, but as of today if you have Amazon Prime, you can pick up Fighterstick (top model) and Pro Throttle (top model) for about $100 each. That's where I picked up mine, and you can't beat 2 day shipping for free. (You do have to pay for the Prime subscription, though, but if you already have it this is a fantastic deal.)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ld-keywords=ch products&sprefix=ch+produc,aps
 
For those of you using the Saitek X series HOTAS systems. How is the software? I heard there are issues with it.

Does it work like the thrustmaster software? Emulating keyboard strokes and therefore keeping the 'custom' option in the control's tab within E : D??

Thanks

Yes and no. It's actually VERY capable, but there is a learning curve to use it right. Here's a quote of a post I made earlier today about the X52/52pro


...I don't know the X52 setup, but it may be treated similarly.

Very similar, except that the X52 is always a single device. The X52 (or the pro version) on bootup has no profile loaded. The buttons hats axes, sliders and rotaries are all raw directx controls, the ministick is a pseudo-mouse, and the ministick button and the wheel on the back of the throttle are mouse buttons.

Once you use the software to create a profile and load it, any control you leave unmodified remains in the above state (with the exception of the mode selector and pinkie switch, all of which default to being modifiers in a new profile, giving you a possible 6 functions for every other control - overkill IMHO so removing the pinkie switch shift states is always my first action when creating a new profile)

Since the X52 drivers emulate a keyboard as well as a mouse the "commands" you create for assigning to buttons can include keystrokes and recorded mouse movements, including differing actions for press/hold/release on any control with fully editable timing on the events generated if you go into full-on advanced mode when setting it up.

What you CANNOT do in the X52 software is create "commands" that include directx control events like moving an axis or pressing a button. All this means is that if you want a particular function to be bound to a button and part of a macro, you have to bind a keystroke to it in-game as well as the button (or, if that isnt possible as some games can only bind one thing per function, bind the keystroke and program the button to generate it)
 
Yes and no. It's actually VERY capable, but there is a learning curve to use it right. Here's a quote of a post I made earlier today about the X52/52pro

Ok your whole post, although not quoted here in it's entirety, seems very positive.
I love the ideas of macros etc. Still a little confused on what CAN and CANNOT be done with the software, but that will just take practice to get right.

I currently have a Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and I have to be honest...I am very underwhelmed with it. It just seems....too stiff and overkill. I LOVE the feel of it, but for actual game play, I cannot do smooth, small movements at all. Everything is 'jerky'. I am going to start another thread on all this and see if it is just my system or are they all like that?

Thanks Again!
 
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I'm using a Saitek X-55 Rhino but then I also do X-Plane 10. I would have not bought it just for ED Beta.

Some work with just the keyboard and mouse. Others like me used a joystick (10 year old Saitek Evo) and the keyboard. I did great with that combination. They will all work depending upon your experience, skills and abilities. So use what you have and get the basics down in hours of game play. Then go for something better if you feel the need. There is no rush at this point in the game.

One can get lost in all the replies with the perfect hardware setup. The end result is what works best for you and no else can really figure that out. Play the game and see what does or doesn't work for you. Then decide.

And I am left handed! So it took me awhile to use right handed controls. Now I'm actually better than I ever was left handed. Go figure...
 
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