The lack of Python alternative ships.

cometcruiser

cometcruiser
CMDR's

Having been offered more and more mining missions. I have been soul searching for a medium ship to turn to. I don't want to talk anymore about mining. But whilst I spent time considering each ship in turn for that role, I was left thinking. Why isn't there a good alternative to the Python from any of the shipyards? Not to replace the Python at the top spot, but to bring a second option, with alternative good points.

This thread I commented on, on page 4 brought back some thoughts on how a new ship could come. Its about mining again. But I liked some points;

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...dedicated-Mining-vessel?p=5155815#post5155815

I pick on the Python because, yes its the medium multi role ship that does it all. But I tend to look on the Python as primarily a military ship. I use mine as a military multi role. I suppose it comes down to the fact that its over qualified for tasks such as mining, or trade etc. Its more than just a big Asp isn't it?

First lets discount the current medium multirole lineup;

Asp - Too small.
Type 7 - Too slow / ugly and solely a Transport
Dropships - Locked access, military themed.
FDL - Just combat

There are a few ways to come at this, and I for one am looking to Lakon to supply some options.

I think the first thing is to find what should a new ship do better than the Python. Well not much, maybe just speed and boost speed. That's all I would like. And all round weapon loadout, like an Assault ship.

A bigger Asp would suit me. Bubble cockpit. Imagine A Python with a Vulture cockpit.

2x C3 weapons, 3 x C2 weapons. 4 utilities

C 6 powerplant
C 6 FSD
C 6 thrusters
C 6 PD

Internals

C6 x2, C5 x3, C4 x 2, C2 x1.

Price £45 mil

A "civilian" looking ship. Not over qualified. Not trumping the Python. Only just trumping the Dropships in weapons. Slower and less utilities than FDL. Something to turn to as a bigger Asp. With Lakon multirole speed.
 
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Mohrgan

Mohrgan
I use Federal Dropships as Python replicators for Mission Runners at my PG's controlled systems, that are not my main base. I can use one of my combat ships to shuttle around to other systems, and if I find a mission or two, I can swap ships and be ready to go. The Dropship doesn't carry as much as the Python but it definetly doesn't cost as much either.

I use an AspX as a miner. I don't do bulk mining as a money maker, but I do take mining missions from my Faction when the mood strikes me. The AspX can accommodate all of the missions I've come across, and gets filled up just about the time I'm looking for something else to do.
 

Saool

Saool
Some ships similar to the Python would be nice. Just with a few tweaks. Something like:


Boa - More cargo but weaker offence and defence. Somewhere between the Python and the Anaconda and T9

Boa.gif



Constrictor - Less cargo and better offence and defence. Somewhere between the Python and the FdL

Constrictor.gif



Imperial Explorer - Less cargo, weaker offence and defence, better speed and range. An alternative to the Asp and Diamond back ranges

Impexp.jpg



For added fun make then Alliance, Federation and Empire ranked ships respectively. Just make the Boa need Alliance allied status to unlock.
 
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Starbreaker

Starbreaker
Saool said:
Some ships similar to the Python would be nice. Just with a few tweaks. Something like:


Boa - More cargo but weaker offence and defence. Somewhere between the Python and the Anaconda and T9

http://wiki.alioth.net/img_auth.php/3/32/Boa.gif


Constrictor - Less cargo and better offence and defence. Somewhere between the Python and the FdL

http://wiki.alioth.net/img_auth.php/a/a5/Constrictor.gif


Imperial Explorer - Less cargo, weaker offence and defence, better speed and range. An alternative to the Asp and Diamond back ranges

http://wiki.alioth.net/img_auth.php/1/12/Impexp.jpg


For added fun make then Alliance, Federation and Empire ranked ships respectively. Just make the Boa need Alliance allied status to unlock.
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Yeah there are ships from the earlier games that can be used to fill the gaps, just don't make them like the Asp Scout which was supposed to fill a market but ended up being undesirable.

"Lakon Spaceways unveiled the Asp Scout in late 3301 as a cheaper alternative to the well-regarded Asp Explorer, and in terms of market it sits between the Diamondback range and the Asp Explorer."
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
Saool said:
Just make the Boa need Alliance allied status to unlock.
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With respect, that's trivially easy to do by just lurking around a Low-Rez and stealing kills from the cops.

Also, given that the Imperials switched to ship types (cutter, clipper) for its big ships, maybe Imperial Sloop or Brigantine.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
If you have access to the Cobra Mk4 its a nice multirole ship. Its a medium ship in terms of internals packaged into a small ship ;)
 
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fademist

F
Saool said:
Some ships similar to the Python would be nice. Just with a few tweaks. Something like:


Boa - More cargo but weaker offence and defence. Somewhere between the Python and the Anaconda and T9

http://wiki.alioth.net/img_auth.php/3/32/Boa.gif


Constrictor - Less cargo and better offence and defence. Somewhere between the Python and the FdL

http://wiki.alioth.net/img_auth.php/a/a5/Constrictor.gif


Imperial Explorer - Less cargo, weaker offence and defence, better speed and range. An alternative to the Asp and Diamond back ranges

http://wiki.alioth.net/img_auth.php/1/12/Impexp.jpg


For added fun make then Alliance, Federation and Empire ranked ships respectively. Just make the Boa need Alliance allied status to unlock.
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boa is larger than anaconda :p
 

CMDR LoneZephyr

CMDR LoneZephyr
I share the OP's sentiment about having an alternative medium ship other than the Python. I've been hoping that Frontier would come up with something, but so far I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that they are going to anytime soon.

For me, the Python serves as my go-to mission grinding ship. It has excellent cargo and weapon capabilities for it's size; and being a medium size allows it to land on orbital platforms, which is indispensable for area's such as Colonia. I would like to see another medium ship that has better cargo capacity than the Python, but maybe sacrifices combat power in exchange. At 280 tons of cargo on a medium pad I find it hard to justify flying anything other than the Python for cargo runs where I know I need to land on a platform. It would be nice to have another option for this, I like the idea of Lakon coming up with an option for this; maybe a type 6.5 or something! lol
 
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ConfusedRaccoon

ConfusedRaccoon
I thought the FDS was the rank free one. The FGS and the FAS are rank locked no?
I've always seen the clipper a between the multi roll asp and th epython, so long as you have the rank. I've never really given the fed ships the time of day. I disliked the dropship as it handled like a wet dog and looked... like something else dog related. The FAS, which I recently unlocked though has given me a little fizzy feeling inside so maybe.
 

Saool

Saool
fademist said:
boa is larger than anaconda :p
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Yeah, but given we know the Panther is on it's way at some point, I would be happy to see the Boa occupy a space near the T7 but perhaps be a little more defence orientated. Other alternative might be the Puma or the Lion, but I would rather see a classic like the Boa.
 

Comrade Napoleon

Comrade Napoleon
No, Nej, Non, Njet.. The python is the Python, If you dont like it, fly something else, something you can afford, Sidewinder?
It has its niche and has paid a heavy prize (The Great Python Nerf 2015) that left millions of CMDR's devastated, some have never been seen since that incident. I am a veteran from then and fly my Python with pride, it does not need dirty, rotten competitors. The Asp is tolerated because it is small fry, the Flopships can carry all. Then there are those that cant land on outposts, well tough luck for them anyway, halfway baked dumpsters, from the flying Beautiful Wreckage After Explosion Clipper to the Flying Supertanker Cutter. The 'Conda is kinda' ok ,I suppose.

So M8, dear CMDR cometcruiser, bite the apple make some funds, its only 277 Mill for a fully Supercharged, Deadly , Megafreighting, Awesoness experience to own a Python :D and a little ;)
If anyone is in doubt i am rather fond of my Python "Bikkus Dikkus"

Cheers Cmdr's
 

EISENHORN01

EISENHORN01
The boa should be introduced as the Feds response to the cutter, I'd make it slightly better on cargo than the cutter but equal that out with poor weapons so it's not just the new conda
 
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