The More You Know: Inara Security Report

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Since seeing an uptick in threads about being attacked in Open figured I'd remind folks of this. The lovely people behind Inara collate data from EDMC (not sure if from elsewhere too...) to track Commander deaths.

These are deaths caused by other Commanders, mind you. Pretty neat, huh? I check it extensively as I'm out and about in the galaxy.

https://inara.cz/galaxy/

Look to the right where it says SECURITY REPORT.

Take care out there!
 

Phisto Sobanii

Phisto Sobanii
Wolfe3 said:
This kinda blows the whole theory (or at least whats being posted here) that open is a waste land of death and destruction.

1 murder attempt in the last hour?. Wow stay in solo everyone!
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You’re not wrong.

You’ll also see how it’s confined to very few system relatively speaking. The galaxy is huge. Plenty of room to avoid murder and still have lots of fun however you want to play.
 

Micha

Micha
Wolfe3 said:
1 murder attempt in the last hour?. Wow stay in solo everyone!
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People who can read and comprehend have an advantage:

"based on Inara commanders only"

FWIW, it's 4 in the last hours; still miniscule, agreed, but then again I have absolutely no idea how many people push their data to Inara out of the entire playerbase nor how representative Inara Commanders are of the greater community.
 

Wolfe3

Wolfe3
Micha said:
People who can read and comprehend have an advantage:

"based on Inara commanders only"

FWIW, it's 4 in the last hours; still miniscule, agreed, but then again I have absolutely no idea how many people push their data to Inara out of the entire playerbase nor how representative Inara Commanders are of the greater community.
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Said while posting on the pc side of the forum (dangerous discussions) and not in the xbox forum in which i am a xbox cmdr. And yes i am well aware that xbox or ps4 cmdrs cannot share their api info with inara , which suck, but has been discussed before on the xbox sub forum.

The point i was trying to make, which i didnt think i had to point out that inara can only api track pc cmdrs, is that while im not aware of the player population between platforms. There are more threads talking about this (griefing/ganking/seal clubbers) in the areas originally created for pc cmdrs.

So whats the total amount of players across all platforms vs whats being tracked by inara?

Just checked again and now its 6 total. Still very very low attempts, againts what alot of people potray open to be.
 

Micha

Micha
Wolfe3 said:
So whats the total amount of players across all platforms vs whats being tracked by inara?
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That's unknowable without access to FDev logs since using third-party tools is entirely optional. I'm guessing it's a very small percentage of all those who play Elite on PC though. What I haven't checked yet is whether Inara publishes the number of "recently active" (last week, last month, ...?) Commanders, which would then give an indication of the percentages involved. Even better would be "recently active in Open".

Still, I'd guestimate that Commanders actively using third-party tools (ie, contributing data to them, not just syphoning it off) and specifically Inara are either those involved in player groups (not in the sense of private groups in ED) or those more inclined to roleplaying or exploration. The former group are more likely to be involved in Combat, the middle group depends on the person, and the latter group less likely.

All in all it's a practically useless statistic to make any claims for- or against- the level of (unwanted?) PvP in Elite Dangerous. At best it's an indication that there have been some incidents in particular systems in the recent past for those Commanders wishing to either avoid combat, or those looking for it against more worthwhile targets.
 

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
“Based on INARA Commanders only”

That’s actually pretty good. If you don’t have an INARA profile - you’re kinda nobody.
INARA takes a slice through the whole ED community, so anything that is actually a hotspot will show up.
 

ilo

ilo
DNA-Decay said:
“Based on INARA Commanders only”

That’s actually pretty good. If you don’t have an INARA profile - you’re kinda nobody.
INARA takes a slice through the whole ED community, so anything that is actually a hotspot will show up.
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Im ok being a nobody.
 

AP Birdman

Banned
AP Birdman
Phisto Sobanii said:
Since seeing an uptick in threads about being attacked in Open figured I'd remind folks of this. The lovely people behind Inara collate data from EDMC (not sure if from elsewhere too...) to track Commander deaths.

These are deaths caused by other Commanders, mind you. Pretty neat, huh? I check it extensively as I'm out and about in the galaxy.

https://inara.cz/galaxy/

Look to the right where it says SECURITY REPORT.

Take care out there!
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This is only tracking PC isn't it?
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
wortless data to show how frequent a specific playerbehavior is, as it only uses an unknown subfraction of the community. And pretty surely those player hunters won't even join Inara because they would like to hide their activities as it would add to those data and tell others not to go there.
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
My Chieftain lives in Robigo these days. It's called Jenba Ittai and has a fondness for griefers.

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them us, maybe you can hire the A-Team a GARD escort. :D
 

znôrt

znôrt
Robert Maynard said:
.... and even then, only players who choose to both use Inara and also a 3rd-party tool to report their gameplay to the site.
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much like steamcharts, this is not relevant as far as absolute numbers go, but trends over time within the same sample may be telling (except inara doesn't show historical trends).

DNA-Decay said:
If you don’t have an INARA profile - you’re kinda nobody.
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this just made me want to delete my inara profile right away. i don't use it anyway and i doubt it's up to date :D
 

zimms

zimms
DNA-Decay said:
“Based on INARA Commanders only”

That’s actually pretty good. If you don’t have an INARA profile - you’re kinda nobody.
INARA takes a slice through the whole ED community, so anything that is actually a hotspot will show up.
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No it doesn't. It's a slice of a very specific part of the community. The average player is completely left out of that "survey".
 

Artie

Artie
Just to add some insight - those reports and numbers are based on the data of roughly 10k+ commanders providing the data recently, from the PC platform. As noted, it definitely doesn't represent the whole community (by my guess there is MUCH more active commanders). But, as also noted, it may show some limited trend. Nothing more, nothing less... :)
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
zimms said:
No it doesn't. It's a slice of a very specific part of the community. The average player is completely left out of that "survey".
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yep, thats where it differs so much from steam statistics, Stema palyers are no special kind they are prety much a slice through evertyhing. But those extra 3rd party tool using and then even Inara ones are a slice of avery dedicated kind of players. So you get a slice of a slice making those data rather invalid for statistical measures of the entire playerbase.
 

Factabulous

Factabulous
You can get an idea of how representative the numbers are by looking at the Traffic Stats (in a system page on Inara) and comparing to the Traffic Stats in-game (news article in any station in that system) as this is all traffic (including consoles).

Last time I checked EDSM (which uses a similar data source) it knew about < 1% of total traffic, YMMV
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Micha said:
....but then again I have absolutely no idea how many people push their data to Inara out of the entire playerbase nor how representative Inara Commanders are of the greater community.
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That's the thing.

I try to run the game with EDMC running in the background when I'm doing missions or CGs but, even then, I sometimes forget and stuff also happens when I'm not doing things where I ever intended to have EDMC running too.

There's been times, during a trade CG, when I've arrived at a station which stocks the stuff required for the CG and EDDB will still say the last time the data for that station was last updated 47 days ago, or whatever.
Even with several thousand CMDRs CGing, and many of them using the same station for supplies, obviously none of them are running EDMC (some quite deliberately, no doubt).

I dunno if INARA think it'd make their stat's look silly if they displayed some kind of "based on X reports" data but they really need to do that if they expect the stat's they do publish to have any credibility.

If INARA has only received, say, 40 updates in the last hour, they should display that information as well.
 
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