Long supercruise and I had a thought: What if the Galactic Powers are The Club? And if not all of them, at least some of them. Zachary Hudson has to be one of them, and I have my suspicions about Fat Eddie as well. Arissa Lavigny-Duval's rise to power seems a bit fishy as well. And there's no way Aisling Duval's dumb blonde shtick isn't an act. And to what end, since they've set us against each other in Powerplay? Why, for the same reason The Club has always done what it does: to make us good at war, and in particular, defending territory.
The Powers and The Club
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Only the architects of human history during the last couple centuries: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/The_Club
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Zachary Hudson is clearly shown in Premonition as receiving ORDERS from some emissary of the club. He clearly is NOT a member and is nearly under their direct control.
Aisling is really that dumb. I'm sure she's manipulated when necessary.
Arissa isn't a member of the Club. In fact, she sent them a clear message she was trying to thwart them by having every ship that rescued Salome named after something pointing to the Emperor (e.g. Diadem).
Denton Petreus may be a member. Or he may be a willing partner.
Sirius corporation is a Club controlled front (hence why it took over Metadrive). Many have speculated Li Yong-Rui is an actual member (possibly Exo).
Mahon is clearly not in the loop. None of the others were featured in Premonition so who knows.
The Club is like the Illuminati (globalists, NWO), but much more powerful.
What's the text exactly? I haven't read the book.
What's the text exactly? I haven't read the book.
My thoughts are similar: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...lay-leaders-and-Engineers-controlling-members
Well, so they claim, anyway. Looking at that page I'd consider them "influential but often unsuccessful or an irrelevance"
- Project Dynasty: okay-ish idea at the time, completely superseded on the discovery aspect by future explorers and accidentally outrun on the "remote settlement" aspect by Colonia and other deep space installations
- Frame Shift Drives: yes, definitely worthwhile ... though speed isn't everything and the Alliance wouldn't have kept a monopoly on the tech for long anyway
- Explorer Disappearances: decidedly unsuccessful in the modern era
- Engineers: possibly, though a lot of engineered weapons and modifications are actually pretty useless versus Thargoids. Good for completely trashing the balance of power within human space, though - just what we need when there's an alien invasion imminent, more political instability and loose cannons in the bubble. Well done.
- Metadrive: okay
- London Treaty: okay, except that as it happens, capital ships are pretty much useless versus Thargoids
- Universal Cartographics: nice, but clearly a realisation that their previous anti-explorer plans weren't working out
- CQC: sure, it's enjoyable, but it's not a plan of theirs that's actually gone anywhere useful
- CG bait: easy enough to claim, though how many it actually baits away is hard to tell
- Distracting Canonn: given that the Crab Nebula Expedition had already gone right through the Pleiades, Barnard's Loop, and around the edge of all the other Thargoid permit locks by the time "why don't we distract them with Guardians" came up as an idea, too little, too late. And their (supposedly) engineer, Farseer, was encouraging people to go right back to the Pleiades and poke around the barnacles for meta-alloys, too. If no-one saw an Interceptor before then it's because the Thargoids didn't want to be seen.
Pretty much all their significant successes I think can be attributed to Sirius Corp doing what Sirius has always done - keeping the balance of power through technology, making itself too useful to everyone, trying to manipulate things to its advantage, and having a lot of money and experience. Whether it's more successful in that than any other superpower-level organisation? Hard to say.
Well, why is it our FSD drives are locked out of certain areas?
Who controls our ships?
The Pilots Federation and Exo do. They lock out systems they don't want you to see.
Who controls our ships?
The Pilots Federation and Exo do. They lock out systems they don't want you to see.
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I don't think it would be right to copy an entire chapter from Premonition into the Forums. Copyright and all that. Extremely spoilery as well. It is at the end of chapter twenty-one.
The basic instruction that Hudson received from The Club was this: 'For now, it is imperative that this woman be allowed to continue this quest'. It's not possible to communicate the full meaning without directly quoting large portions of the book but, suffice to say, Hudson is a puppet who knows that his Presidency (and existence) exist at the discretion of The Club.
I don't have my book with me at the moment (at work), so I can't give you an exact quote. I can give you a summation of what happened. After Hudson's secret meeting with Salome - who was supposedly dead at the time, and acting as a covert ambassador directly from Arissa to Hudson, to try and de-escalate tensions between the two super powers - a figure appears behind him and congratulates him on doing what he was told to do. The scene makes it clear that Hudson never turns to see who is talking to him (because he knows it would be very bad for him to see that person's face) and that he is acting on direct orders from the Club through this emissary. Hudson's "reward" is that he will continue to keep being president of the Federation.
Don't all these guys meet at Davos each year? 
Not quite. Project Dynasty wasn't just about mapping out the three escape routes for Earth Like worlds and terraform candidates; they also deployed the terraforming equipment so that those worlds would be ready for habitation when the time game. They may have also dropped off other infrastructure components to further seed these worlds.
They did lose their data on these routes as one of their operatives - the "old lady" Rebecca - went rogue. She managed to transfer that data to Salome, via injection (DNA coding) before she was killed. So they pulled the strings of the Federation to remap those areas. Independent pilots/groups, then riled up but this conspiracy, also undertook an effort to map those areas (both were CGs in game); of course, the latter's efforts were turned into Universal Cartographics - so thanks to both, the Club got all their data back.
Yes, others may know the location of the special planets - e.g. the pilots who gathered the data - but only they and Universal Cartographics know. When was the last time you were able to share ANY exploration data (in-game) with another player? Those loose ends can be mopped up later or ignored. Project Dynasty only needed to be kept secret, to avoid the public panicking, while the Thargoids were still away/considered a myth.
The Club were the ones that made sure that didn't stay an Alliance exclusive. They wanted everyone to have it so all of humanity has faster travel and can more rapidly respond to the coming Thargoid threat. Bill Turner was the one angered by that not staying an Alliance exclusive, not the Club.
Depends. We don't know what they found. These may have been explorers using older ships that, like Luko's, didn't have the permit locks ours do. Also, considering how little of the galaxy we still have mapped, how can you say someone didn't find something critical to the Club's plans and their subsequent clandestine death didn't keep vital information from us/the public?
Independent pilots fighting each other hones their skills. Also, please go check the Aliens forum for the guides on fighting the Thargoids. Engineered shields, engineered shield boosters, and engineered hull armor and reinforcements are strongly encouraged by all the successful Thargoid hunters. Non-engineered ships would be destroyed much, much faster.
Useless so far. The real war hasn't started yet. When the major fighting starts, there will be a lot more capital ships ready to go then there would have been without a cold war ramp up of construction. Until then, the super powers have pulled their capital ships back from the front.
Please see what I said above under Project Dynasty. A good mastermind/Illuminati group doesn't just have a plan A - they have plan A through Z and contingencies to turn any potential loss into a gain.
Again, to hone more pilots' combat skills. It may not be used much by players, but in the game lore, this could be quite effective. Also, it's another thing to distract the public - e.g. "bread and circuses".
In short, I think the Club is probably the best/most effective Illuminati-like group I've seen in a fictional universe since the Deus Ex series (Deus Ex and Deus Ex HR, please ignore Deus Ex: Invisible War). Their background lore isn't as elaborate as that in the Deus Ex series, but they've been far more effective in achieving their goals in the 400+ years they've been operating. Also the Club's rogue agents - Rebecca and Octavia - were minor nuisances, vs. the major power coup that Bob Page/Majestic 12 pulled on the rest of the Illuminati in Deus Ex.
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It is extremely unlikely that any members of The Club actually hold any public facing positions. The Club are Puppetmasters, pulling at very long strings, from as far behind the scenes as they can stay. Why? Because being known makes them targets, targets that could easily be removed from the equation, and that simply will not do. They are master manipulators, not unlike the modern day Bilderberg Group, but far lower-profile. These are the people who teach the people who teach the people who teach the Illuminati to hide in the shadows.
While I have no doubt The Club has its fingers deep inside the Powers, they're doing so from so far removed, that tracing anything back to them would be nearly impossible.
While I have no doubt The Club has its fingers deep inside the Powers, they're doing so from so far removed, that tracing anything back to them would be nearly impossible.
Not correct- from the Wiki:
So it could be anyone, but evidence certainly points to some more than others.
Comparatively speaking, Kim Kardashian would be instantly recognizable, but is as much a political leader as I am a pogo stick.
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I think a lot of that shows Drew's Empire bias, as pre premonition, Aisling was seen as a intelligent social media savvy individual.
Just for balance - other chocolate covered biscuits are available!
Well in the context of ED you have about 50 high level characters, there is nothing to say that some of them are secretly controlling what you do.