The Python is annoyingly good for its price. Its the answer for every question in the mid-game.

I tried VERY hard to use my Orca to do passenger missions the past few days, but constantly found myself unable to get max profits from stations because I didn't have space for that last mission that matched the others I just grabbed that went to the same system and to the same station within that system. So I thought "maybe I should try the AspX instead and just do long range missions" but thats not effective if your goal is JUST money.



So I came to the same inescapable conclusion that every single player that has ever played this game has come to at some point or another.



"Sure I could use *insert ship here*, but the Python is actually better."


The same can be applied to pretty much every situation with only a few exceptions when it comes to anyone that is in the mid-game and still earning ranks or credits and its driving me mad.


Shipping?


- Type-7? Takes a large pad and moves LESS CARGO than the Python DESPITE BEING A DEDICATED CARGO SHIP , and the Python can be used for alot more when its not shipping things.



- Type-6? Yeah it can jump farther, but the Python can move more for only a bit less jump range and can also excel in a combat role.



- Type-9? WAY out of the price range for anyone that is in the mid-game.


- Clipper? Python can carry more than the Clipper while still having the benefit of a medium landing pad. You also don't need to rank grind for the Python like you do for the Clipper.



Combat?


- Fer De Lance? Yes its a much better dedicated combat ship, but the Python can kick butt AND move a crapload of cargo at the same time while also having a much better jump range and fuel economy.


- Cobra? Yes its much cheaper, but both use the same size pad and the Python outperforms the Cobra in literally every single way except maneuverability which can be made up for by engineering.


- Clipper? Python has better damage. Though admittedly the Clipper can run circles around the Python in terms of actual performance. But like I said before the Clipper comes with the added negative of a rank grind. (Which admittedly has gotten easier, but still a grind nonetheless)


- Any of the Fed ships? Python has better versatility, none of the rank requirements, better jump range, and can carry ALOT more than any of them when outside of combat.


Passenger missions?


- Dolphin? Dolphin is faster, has better handling and jump range, but the Python can carry 3 times as many people, can take much more abuse, and can defend itself if poop hits the fan.


- Orca? Orca is much faster and handles much better, but the Python can carry more people, use a medium landing pad, take more abuse, and can be used in a role other than passenger missions. The Orca meanwhile is a pure passenger ship that can be used for other things but does none of them as well as other ships in the same price range.


- Beluga? Beluga can carry alot more people than the Python, but for the price range of the Beluga you might as well just save a bit more and get an Anaconda.




This is not a knock on the Python itself. Its a fantastic ship that is a godsend for players that don't have the money or ranks for any of the Big 3, but it is definitely a knock on all of the other ships. Because the Python is a "multipurpose" ship that does all of those purposes better than any of the DEDICATED ships of the same category.




(I am intentionally leaving out exploration because its not a job that I have done with regularity and don't wanna give opinions on something I know nothing about)




Its just frustrating to wanna to have certain questions, but have the same answer for every one of them. It takes all of the variety and meaning from the game for me.



I mean what is the purpose of picking a job or a role if you use the same fricking ship in every single one? Why even bother with any of the other ships outside the Big 3?



TL;DR: I have become a Python prostitute until I get my Anaconda and I don't like it.



EDIT: Let me be clear. By mid-game I am talking about players who are in between the lowers ships like Cobra, T-7, T-6, Clipper etc etc and the Big 3. They have more than enough for cheaper ships, but not enough for any of the Big 3.
 
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Because the Python is a "multipurpose" ship that does all of those purposes better than any of the DEDICATED ships of the same category.

No, you even said it yourself: the comparably priced FDL is better at combat than the Python. Its also not a great explorer. The T7 is many times cheaper and just as good for trading. Just be glad the Python was nerfed twice, both times many people complained noone would ever fly the python anymore. :p
 
Just 'cos something is acceptable for a given task, it doesn't make it desirable.

The Pyhon is a Transit van.
Sometimes I want to drive a Lamborghini.
Other times I want to drive a Humvee.

Also, you ignored exploration.
 
Its the best ship in the game, no doubt. Of the big three i have owned a couple of anacondas and the python is a better ship by far. Imo the only good use for an anaconda is seed money to get a python.
 
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Its the best ship in the game, no doubt. Of the big three i have owned a couple of anacondas and the python is a better ship by far. Imo the only good use for an anaconda is seed money to get a python.

Huh what you talking about, the best ship in the game hands down is the anaconda, simple as that , can move alot of cargo if need be, can be a great combat ship, can run a crap ton of pass missions, and is the best jumper in the game.
 
Python standing still is better than any other ship flying - the "big" ships are too big, boring as well. Combat effectiveness is more down to the pilot than the ship - and you'll look like a cad in an FDL (the BMW of ships if ever there was). Only possible competition are some of the smaller ships which have their own élan - Imperial Eagle, Sidewinder, Courier and Vipers come to mind - DBX's as well.
It's worth making special mention of the Asp - a ship for folk with pork pie hats and a lingering affection for the Austin Allegro....... :p
 
Eh, if you can afford a decently outfitted Python you can afford a T9, so not sure why the T9 is supposed to be way out of the price range of players who can afford a python.

But it seems obvious you don't care about a fair price comparsion seeing some of your examples like Cobra, T6 and Dolphin. Since you deem them as usless "because python is better" you might as well be consistend and deem the python usless because the Conda is better.
 

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It's a good ship and I still use mine from time to time, but I don't think there's a 'best' ship for every occasion

It lacks (unless changed) a SLF bay the bigger ships have, and the jump range of the smaller.

The big advantage is that it's a medium pad fella, opening up outpost missions where you'd be a bit nervous or low on space in a cobra.
 
Huh what you talking about, the best ship in the game hands down is the anaconda, simple as that , can move alot of cargo if need be, can be a great combat ship, can run a crap ton of pass missions, and is the best jumper in the game.

It's a flying skip lorry.
 
Eh, if you can afford a decently outfitted Python you can afford a T9, so not sure why the T9 is supposed to be way out of the price range of players who can afford a python.

But it seems obvious you don't care about a fair price comparsion seeing some of your examples like Cobra, T6 and Dolphin. Since you deem them as usless "because python is better" you might as well be consistend and deem the python usless because the Conda is better.

Each ship has its own purpose, but hands down the anaconda can do it all and better than any other ship. The only one that can carry more is the type 9 but that thing sucks anyways.
 
You're not wrong. Frontier have been slowly and incrementally increasing the capabilities of the other ships, probably with this disparity in mind. T7 and T9 carry more than they used to and have harder hulls than they used to, for example. I imagine eventually there will be other small buffs as well. But until they're willing to tweak the actual models of the ships to address the landing pad disparities there's always going to be a problem I think. T7 and Clipper should be adjusted to fit on a medium pad ASAP, *before* any ship kits are released for it.

The passenger ship issue is owing to the fact that Frontier made the mistake of allowing 1st-class cabins on all ships. If 1st Class had been restricted to the dedicated liners, with maybe limited exceptions made for other "luxury" and "VIP" vessels like the FDL and Courier, then the liner ships would have a place in the game. As it stands they are worthless for their intended purpose. It's still potentially possible to fix the issue by making Luxury passenger missions more common and more worthwhile, though.

I don't think the combat disparity is that big a deal though. Python is "good enough" to be able to fight while also simultaneously performing other roles, but is clearly outclassed by the FDL and other dedicated combat ships.
 
Uh no. Python is a jack of all trades, master of none. If i'm doing combat, I want a combat ship. A python simply can't hang in PvP and in PvE there are scenarios that easily overwhelm it. For cargo, there's no reason to go to an outpost. Stations offer more amenities and better payout. 200 million to buy and A rate a ship that doesn't do anything well is over priced. I'd rather take that money buy a FDL and a Type 9 or and run circles around the python in cargo and combat. The jump range on the Python isn't good, so it's not a good bubble taxi or explorer. Frankly, it's 1 of only 3 ships I've ever sold that I would never buy again due to the fact I have at least 1 ship that outperforms it in every single function.

As for new palyers, if you want to run cargo and can't afford a type 9, get a type 7. It's quicker hauls as much cargo and is much much cheaper. Python gets so much hype, but it seems all the hype comes from players who have never flown other ships. They've only flown multirole ships, or they try to turn a non-multirole ship into a multirole ship and think the ship is flawed. As noted by your "The fdl can't haul cargo" comment. Combat ships aren't for hauling cargo.
 
you'll look like a cad in an FDL (the BMW of ships if ever there was)


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Holy crap that is so true lol I never thought of that until just now but its 100% true.
 
Eh, if you can afford a decently outfitted Python you can afford a T9, so not sure why the T9 is supposed to be way out of the price range of players who can afford a python.

But it seems obvious you don't care about a fair price comparsion seeing some of your examples like Cobra, T6 and Dolphin. Since you deem them as usless "because python is better" you might as well be consistend and deem the python usless because the Conda is better.

Except the Conda is not better than the Python due to the pad size issue. Conda has higher capacities across the board, but the Python is still more versatile as a trader, mission runner, and passenger ship because it can go places the Anaconda can't. Even ignoring price and the fact that this is a conversation about "midgame" ships, the choice between a Python and an Anaconda is a meaningful choice with tradeoffs to consider. The choice between a Python and a Clipper, T7, or Orca is NOT a meaningful choice with tradeoffs to consider. The correct answer is always "Python"
 
We don't need to nerf the Python, we just need ships that compete with it in the roles it is superior than any other ship in the size class.

Enter the Zorgon Peterson Transporter. A vaguely aerodynamic brick just about the size of a medium hangar that can carry a lot of cargo but not many passengers and isn't any good in combat. (for example 7/7/5(4/3/3/1 slots and 2M/1L hardpoints)

Enter the Saud Kruger Moray Starboat. Looking more like a hotel front with a disco dome on the center top and cabin rows facing the front, it's what you hire for a party among the stars. Less cargo than a transporter with better handling and endurance for sightseeing tours with high class passengers.
 
Let it be, they already nerfed it and honestly I think it needs a rebuff (That pitch rate, eugh). I respect anyone who PvPs in one because it's big and slow, with so few util-slots for something so big and slow.

It has a USP, medium pad, big cargo hauler. Let it be.. Don't kill it anymore.
 
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