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The sneering response to Trump’s victory reveals exactly why he won

If you want to know why Trump won, just look at the response to his winning. The lofty contempt for ‘low information’ Americans. The barely concealed disgust for the rednecks and cretins of ‘flyover’ America who are apparently racist and misogynistic and homophobic. The haughty sneering at the vulgar, moneyed American political system and how it has allowed a wealthy candidate to poison the little people’s mushy, malleable minds. The suggestion that American women, more than 40 per cent of whom are thought to have voted for Trump, suffer from internalised misogyny: that is, they don’t know their own minds, the poor dears. The hysterical, borderline apocalyptic claims that the world is now infernally screwed because ‘our candidate’, the good, pure person, didn’t get in.

This response to Trump’s victory reveals why Trump was victorious. Because those who do politics these days — the political establishment, the media, the academy, the celeb set — are so contemptuous of ordinary people, so hateful of the herd, so convinced that the mass of society cannot be trusted to make political decisions, and now those ordinary people have given their response to such top-down sneering and prejudice.

Oh, the irony of observers denouncing Middle America as a seething hotbed of hatred even as they hatefully libel it a dumb and ugly mob. Having turned America’s ‘left behind’ into the butt of every clever East Coast joke, and the target of every handwringing newspaper article about America’s dark heart and its strange, Bible-toting inhabitants, the political and cultural establishment can’t now be surprised that so many of those people have turned around and said… well, it begins with F and ends with U.
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The anti-Brexit anti-democrats claimed they were merely opposed to using rough, simplistic referendums to decide on huge matters. That kind of democracy is too direct, they said. Yet now they’re raging over the election of Trump via a far more complicated, tempered democratic system. That’s because — and I know this is strong, but I’m sure it’s correct — it is democracy itself that they hate. Not referendums, not Ukip’s blather, not only direct democracy, but democracy as an idea. Against democracy — so many of them are now. It is the engagement of the throng in political life that they fear. It is the people — ordinary, working, non-PhD-holding people — whom they dread and disdain. It is what got Trump to the White House — the right of all adults, even the dumb ones, to decide about politics — that gives them sleepless nights

This nasty, reactionary turn against democracy by so many of the well-educated both explains the victory of Trump, which neatly doubles up as a slap in the face of the establishment, and confirms why democracy is more important today than it has ever been. Because it really would be folly, madness in fact, to let an elite that so little understands ordinary people, and in fact loathes them, to run society unilaterally. Now that would be dangerous, more dangerous than Trump.

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Trump’s victory in the presidential race is “bigger than Brexit”, Nigel Farage has said.

Farage proclaimed Trump’s win as a victory for “the little people, it’s the ordinary people [who are] rising up against an establishment that has done them down very badly over the course of the last couple of decades.”
And he said he was unsurprised by the result as “the political class is reviled across much of the West.

“The polling industry’s bankrupt, and the press just hasn’t woken up to what’s going on in the world,” he said.

Speaking to The Telegraph in the early hours of this morning, Farage said the result was good news for Britain, who would now have a friend in the White House.

“This is a massive result as far as Britain is concerned with having a friend in the White House, [who] admires our culture, feels his mother’s Scottish roots very deeply and wants to put us at the front of the queue for trade deals.”

On the question of whether Trump would have to be persuaded to back NATO, Farage said: “We can build a very important bridge with NATO. He is asking very important questions about why some members aren’t pulling their weight.”

Arguing that Britain should not be “afraid” of Mr. Trump, he added: ” Do you know what? We just rejected a hawk, a neo-con in favour of someone who wants to talk to Mr Putin, who wants jaw-jaw not war-war. This guy is not a military hawk.

“It’s good news for all of us in the Western World who believe in nation-state democracy.”
 
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You think too much and the problem is. Those that accepted all the lies of Brexit and the US election; don't.
 
Remember the reaction (in reverse) when Obama won (both times)?

The Right went nuts, it was the end of the world.......I remember seeing "One Big A** Mistake America" bumper stickers.

Well, 8 years later and Americans still have their guns (even more of them), Sharia law hasn't been enacted neither has the one world government. Nobody is in a FEMA concentration camp at Denver airport. Some people are paying more for health insurance, but lots more people actually have health insurance. Death panels don't decide who lives or dies.

In fact the US on average seems to be doing ok. Unemployment is down, wages are just starting to rise, crime (apart from a few cities where there has been a small uptick in the last 12 months) is falling.

In this polarised world the sky would always fall for one side or the other.

In 4 or at most 8 years Trump will have left the white house and someone else will step in and we shall do this dance again.

In the mean time lets hope Trump doesn't fulfil his promises (that would be bad) and that maybe Trump will surprise everyone (in a good way) and we can all look back at this and laugh.
 

verminstar

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To the op...its the establishment versus the people...the rules only apply if they the ones making them. Hypocrisy is well and truly alive and kicking on both sides of the pond, can assure ye of that...

Not a huge fan of Trump meself, but if the alternative is what the establishment supports, then go trump. And Hilly was the very definition of establishment, while trump is a bit of a loose cannon...things would have stayed the same withh clinton...but trump is a bloody nose for the elites whereas brexit managed a light slap.

Been a good day fer a great many not within yer borders...regardless what some would have ye believe ^^
 
Because those who do politics these days — the political establishment, the media, the academy, the celeb set — are so contemptuous of ordinary people, so hateful of the herd, so convinced that the mass of society cannot be trusted to make political decisions, and now those ordinary people have given their response to such top-down sneering and prejudice.

"I think you're an idiot."
"An idiot, me? How dare you! Look at me banging my own head against the wall, that'll show you!"

In other words: if Trump actually improves anything for 'the working class' you may have a point. If it turns out Trump continues doing what he has been doing his entire life, 'the American people' have shown 'the elite' (by the way, anyone who sincerely thinks in those terms is a bit hard to take seriously) that they indeed are stupid and incapable of making semi-rational choices. Lets wait and find out. :)

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Not a huge fan of Trump meself, but if the alternative is what the establishment supports, then go trump. And Hilly was the very definition of establishment, while trump is a bit of a loose cannon...things would have stayed the same withh clinton...but trump is a bloody nose for the elites whereas brexit managed a light slap.

Personally I'd be more inclined to vote for people who make plans that get a country into some sort of positive direction, rather than someone that is just 'against the establishment'. Giving the establishment a bloody nose isnt gonna pay your bills, you know.
 
yup, I find it strangely ironic that the left and liberals spout the word bigot and bigotry as if it's exclusive to the right....yet it sums them up JUST as much, but worse because it also makes them complete hypocrites!
 
those who do politics these days — the political establishment, the media, the academy, the celeb set — are so contemptuous of ordinary people, so hateful of the herd, so convinced that the mass of society cannot be trusted to make political decisions, and now those ordinary people have given their response to such top-down sneering and prejudice.

the funny thing is, this 'elite' isn't that way because they are special, but because they are human. power corrupts, it's in our nature. we always had a hard time managing that on scale, and it's getting out of hands. we are now witnessing some pinnacle of corruption and decadence in our western civilization, result of the soundness of our democracy left largely unchecked by the demos. which is, again, human nature.

trump is just the symptom. even if he stepped down tomorrow, the message has already been sent and should have changed everything. (maybe it changed nothing, i might be very wrong. just keep hearing that fallout quote in my head: "war never changes" :D). i don't fear trump more than what i could fear obama. the fact that someone like trump can possibly be crowned the president of a world power (in decline but still) is all by itself much more telling. we're on for some surprising ride, but it's not because of trump. this has been cooking for decades.
 
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Well judging by the calls to abolish the Electoral College, I don't think its Democracy they hate, its the Republic. I think they rather want to embrace unfettered democracy right now.

It is my own personal opinion, that to an extent the message of the far radical left is a contributing factor to their defeat. I think people got disenchanted with the type of campaign they were running and the language and tactics being used the where even democrats felt they couldn't come out in support of Hillary.

Lets be honest, This was her election to lose. There's no way we should be here right now. Even Trump did his best to try and help her win every time he opened his mouth and stupidity came out. Numbers don't lie. There was no "shy, silent Trump majority" like the pundits were talking about. Less people came out for Trump than they did for Romney. But democratic voters failed Hillary on an epic scale. Question is, why? Personally, I think they were repulsed by the extent of the message of hate that was being spewed about the racist/misogynistic/xenophobic/homophobic right. And please, do not come back and say that Republicans are all those things. Its not true, the bulk of democrats know its not true, the ones that were deceived by that message, are out on the streets right now.
 
Well judging by the calls to abolish the Electoral College, I don't think its Democracy they hate, its the Republic. I think they rather want to embrace unfettered democracy right now.

I cant imagine anyone likes the EC. Heck, Trump himself said it was a terrible thing. It makes no sense that you're basically removed from the democratic process if you happen to live in a state where a large majority has a different color. Its obscene and noone supporting democracy should stand for such nonsense.
 

verminstar

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Personally I'd be more inclined to vote for people who make plans that get a country into some sort of positive direction, rather than someone that is just 'against the establishment'. Giving the establishment a bloody nose isnt gonna pay your bills, you know.

There are some things in this life money simply cannot buy...first brexit and now trump...absolutely priceless:D

Then again, ones country going in a positive direction would largely depend on what one percieves to be positive. The ability to respect the beliefs of others are what many in the entire free world have come to take fer granted. Wanna remind me who are the ones throwing petrol bombs on the streets right now? Or who are the nameless lawyers in the uk trying to tie up brexit in legal technicalities?

Like I sais.d...hypocrasy is alive and well on both sides of the atlantic.
 
There are some things in this life money simply cannot buy...first brexit and now trump...absolutely priceless:D

Then again, ones country going in a positive direction would largely depend on what one percieves to be positive. The ability to respect the beliefs of others are what many in the entire free world have come to take fer granted. Wanna remind me who are the ones throwing petrol bombs on the streets right now? Or who are the nameless lawyers in the uk trying to tie up brexit in legal technicalities?

Like I sais.d...hypocrasy is alive and well on both sides of the atlantic.

Okay, lets make it more concrete: I'd say many of the 'working class' people who voted Trump presumably want better jobs that pay better wages. Trump is well known for shipping jobs overseas, and paying minimum wage wherever possible. I assume most americans want their kids to have a good education. Trump used his 'university' to defraud people because he a) doesnt give a crap about the education of your children, and b) has only one interest in mind throughout his entire career, and that is his own bankaccount.

People can vote for whatever the heck they want, but if you vote for someone because you want X and Y to happen, and that person you vote for has a long history of not caring about X or Y, then one might call that not-smart. Remember I am not American, so the US education or healthcare system is not my problem. Its not my problem they have a president that calls veterans with PTSD 'wussies', and who compares being rich as similar to sacrificing your life. Its not my problem that minimum wage is barely viable, or that Trump has zero interest in reforming wall-street.

You think the 'elite' give a crap about Trump? You think this will turn out as a victory for 'the people'? Dont be naive. Anyway, we'll have the same in three months or so here. Media is telling us that wont happen for sure, but we have plenty of angry and frustrated people who will vote for the guy who yells random insults at people. Wont make their life better, but it will provide a few minutes of catharsis I guess. :p
 
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Not all that different than the death threats we saw in 2008. Or the cries that the nation would be bankrupted. Or the claims that sharia law was coming to america and that Obama was going to hand the keys to the Saudis.

Or the seething hatred some people on the right had for the coasts. I should know, I live in 'flyover' country and that outward hatred and whinging was not only platable, I couldn't go to the bar without being asked if my brown     was happy with election. I saw the hanging effigies of Obama. I heard about the blacks that were beaten up in my county. I saw the scores of parents who tried to remove their kids from an education system that was going to teach Islam with obama in charge.

So save your tears. You are going to let a few weak minded liberals rile you up? You are going to let the MSM define who you are? Come on, grow up.
 
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verminstar

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Okay, lets make it more concrete: I'd say many of the 'working class' people who voted Trump presumably want better jobs that pay better wages. Trump is well known for shipping jobs overseas, and paying minimum wage wherever possible. I assume most americans want their kids to have a good education. Trump used his 'university' to defraud people because he a) doesnt give a crap about the education of your children, and b) has only one interest in mind throughout his entire career, and that is his own bankaccount.

People can vote for whatever the heck they want, but if you vote for someone because you want X and Y to happen, and that person you vote for has a long history of not caring about X or Y, then one might call that not-smart. Remember I am not American, so the US education or healthcare system is not my problem. Its not my problem they have a president that calls veterans with PTSD 'wussies', and who compares being rich as similar to sacrificing your life. Its not my problem that minimum wage is barely viable, or that Trump has zero interest in reforming wall-street.

You think the 'elite' give a crap about Trump? You think this will turn out as a victory for 'the people'? Dont be naive. Anyway, we'll have the same in three months or so here. Media is telling us that wont happen for sure, but we have plenty of angry and frustrated people who will vote for the guy who yells random insults at people. Wont make their life better, but it will provide a few minutes of catharsis I guess. :p

Trump did this and trump did that...and clinton was a shining angel sent from heaven? Im not american either...been a few times but didnt stay long. Im just giving a different perspective from the usual doom and gloom...and while I dont like the establishment, I rarely let that hatred influence my thinking. I have fully supported them in the past only to be betrayed several times over afterwards. Hurting them is like icing on the cake, but it nis not the primary motivation. Like a bonus prize if ye want.

How americans deal with what they have done to themselves? Thats not really my problem, but we do live in interesting times where the rest of the world have to clean up the mess they leave behind after bringing freedom and liberty to the middle east among others. Their issues are self inflicted and they really only have themselves to blame...either they do Kennedy on him or they implode...either way, let us hope the fallout isnt too severe.

Ive seen clinton being guiolty of a great many wrongs too...she mademe sick to the stomach thinking she would win...trumps a buffoon but clinton was just nasty and in some ways, worse.
 
I cant imagine anyone likes the EC. Heck, Trump himself said it was a terrible thing. It makes no sense that you're basically removed from the democratic process if you happen to live in a state where a large majority has a different color. Its obscene and noone supporting democracy should stand for such nonsense.
To be fair the Trump tweets indicated he thought Romney won the popular vote, which wasn't the case. So I'd say its a case of Trump being reactionary (which we all know he can be) based on obvious misinformation. Regarding the EC, as I've been spouting elsewhere, it has it's purpose. I happen to live in a state where my voice runs against the majority, so believe me, I understand people's disagreement with it. But it is the law of the land, and to change it, there's a process we must go through. Its not as easy as walking into the Supreme Court and demanding it be changed as some of these protesters seem to think. But we need to make sure we are changing it for the right reasons, not just because we are upset our candidate lost.
 
Regarding the EC, as I've been spouting elsewhere, it has it's purpose. I happen to live in a state where my voice runs against the majority, so believe me, I understand people's disagreement with it. But it is the law of the land, and to change it, there's a process we must go through. Its not as easy as walking into the Supreme Court and demanding it be changed as some of these protesters seem to think. But we need to make sure we are changing it for the right reasons, not just because we are upset our candidate lost.

Oh, I agree 100%. These are structures at the very core of your democracy, and should only be changed with the greatest of care and caution. Changing something so fundamental because of the relatively short-term issue of not having your candidate win is pointless. As is keeping a system merely because it gave you your current position. It should be discussed with the long-term in mind, free of any personal (political) gains. And as with any issue that requires the consideration of the long-term, I dont see the American democracy, or any other democracy I am aware of, as able to tackle it. That means that many aspects of our political systems, regardless of what they are and for better or worse, are the way they are for the wrong reasons. Which is a bit depressing.

Its an issue for us in Europe as well. And trust me when I say that, despite my criticism of some aspects of American democracy, EU democracy is currently in a far worse state. As an example, I am fairly confident the majority of people in Europe cannot name the current and previous two presidents of the EU, never mind explain how they got there in the first place or what his job exactly is. If that is not a problem I dont know what is.
 
psychologists have research that shows that power tends to magnify personality traits.

we know Trump has many character flaws. he's a bully, he makes and breaks promises without remorse, he abuses positions of trust, he lies unnecessarily and changes position daily. his vanity and self regard are immense and he cannot take criticism. for all his alleged unpredictability he is childishly easy to manipulate.

and all that was before he assumes one of the most powerful positions on the planet.
 
In France political commentators said that one of the reasons why the people voted Trump, is that by 2040 the white men will be a minority in the United States
 
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