The things we hated about ZT2...let's hope not to repeat them!

TobiDaDog

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I love Zoo Tycoon 2. I still find it fun to build, breed, and manage...but there are some things about the game that I just can't stand! And I'm sure that you guys have a 'Not Zoo Tycoon' wishlist to add as well.

1) 'Zookeeper can't reach the poop'. These messages spam everything else out! And it doesn't matter how many zookeepers you have or who's assigned to what, those messages are going to keep on coming.

2) The guests complaining about the lack of rides and dessert carts. I don't know about you guys, but the absence of bouncy kangaroos (placed every 50 yards) is no deal breaker for me when I go to the zoo.

3) The need to put down tiny bowls of water everywhere to keep the animal from dying of thirst...when there's a river running through their habitat. C'mon dude, you're a flamingo. Figure it out!

4) The extremely specific 'biomes'. If I have a zoo in the rainforest of South America, plopping down a square of snow is...well, it's impossible. Bottom line. I always thought that the drastically different environmental needs could be handled much, much better than painting on a layer of native soil. Especially when it came to water. The animal is mad because their water is simple freshwater but not swamp freshwater?! Gimme a break!
 

Malialligator

Malialligator
From what we already know thanks to gameplay trailers and everything the two last point seems to be solved. We see zebras drinking in the river and all the "biomes" thing seems to be very different from ZT2 and much better. But i totally agree for how annoying this points where, especially the unrealistic biome thing and the annoying guests always complaining that they would like more entertaining activities like slide. Like dude you are in a zoo not in a rollercoaster park.
 

Aero-Bubbles

Aero-Bubbles
TobiDaDog said:
3) The need to put down tiny bowls of water everywhere to keep the animal from dying of thirst...when there's a river running through their habitat. C'mon dude, you're a flamingo. Figure it out!
4) The extremely specific 'biomes'. If I have a zoo in the rainforest of South America, plopping down a square of snow is...well, it's impossible. Bottom line. I always thought that the drastically different environmental needs could be handled much, much better than painting on a layer of native soil. Especially when it came to water. The animal is mad because their water is simple freshwater but not swamp freshwater?! Gimme a break!
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These especially xD like gooooooodness me. There’s a small pool in your enclosure, drink from that! Are you too good for that water? 😂

And seriously, if I go to a zoo (I’m in Canada) and I see a lion, I can promise you that the foliage in the exhibit isn’t from Africa, it would never survive our winters and I don’t think the lions mind that it isn’t some exotic tree from Kenya 😂 they aren’t tree or plant aware like that “Wait a second, this is a maple tree? There are no maple trees in my home country! Get these out of here!” Like no, no they don’t carrrreee
 

TobiDaDog

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Aero-Bubbles said:
These especially xD like gooooooodness me. There’s a small pool in your enclosure, drink from that! Are you too good for that water? 😂

And seriously, if I go to a zoo (I’m in Canada) and I see a lion, I can promise you that the foliage in the exhibit isn’t from Africa, it would never survive our winters and I don’t think the lions mind that it isn’t some exotic tree from Kenya 😂 they aren’t tree or plant aware like that “Wait a second, this is a maple tree? There are no maple trees in my home country! Get these out of here!” Like no, no they don’t carrrreee
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Yes!! And the guests being somehow extremely knowledgeable about what kind of rock the lion climbed on...and getting angry that it isn't a 'native' rock. I just roll my eyes.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
I stoped playing the game because the whole "can' reach poop" thing got me so annoyed. And yes, waterboowls and - for that matter - food bowls were extremly annoying. I guess a lot from the list is no issue in Planzoo. The biome thing still makes me a bit worried, though.
 

Control

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TIME SPEED

Please, for the love of all that is good in the world, devs, don't make Planet Zoo as deadslow as Zoo Tycoon 2.
Just in case you were thinking about removing sped-up time, as we have in Planet Coaster. I'm here to tell you we need it. The only reason i can't stand playing ZT2 anymore is because it's so bloody slow. It's nerve-wracking.
 

Aero-Bubbles

Aero-Bubbles
Control said:
TIME SPEED

Please, for the love of all that is good in the world, devs, don't make Planet Zoo as deadslow as Zoo Tycoon 2.
Just in case you were thinking about removing sped-up time, as we have in Planet Coaster. I'm here to tell you we need it. The only reason i can't stand playing ZT2 anymore is because it's so bloody slow. It's nerve-wracking.
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I honestly don’t think this is a good idea, simply because we are taking about zoo animals, not just guests. If it was people (ex sims or planet coaster) but I think with wildlife it’s just different. I also don’t see the point (sorry) about speeding up time?
 

Zoomania

Zoomania
Control said:
TIME SPEED

Please, for the love of all that is good in the world, devs, don't make Planet Zoo as deadslow as Zoo Tycoon 2.
Just in case you were thinking about removing sped-up time, as we have in Planet Coaster. I'm here to tell you we need it. The only reason i can't stand playing ZT2 anymore is because it's so bloody slow. It's nerve-wracking.
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As you can see on the Gameplay footage, there is a speed up function (bottom right):
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=184&v=jY9xd34THvc
:)
 

LN

LN
Aero-Bubbles said:
I honestly don’t think this is a good idea, simply because we are taking about zoo animals, not just guests. If it was people (ex sims or planet coaster) but I think with wildlife it’s just different. I also don’t see the point (sorry) about speeding up time?
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Skipping time is commonly done to wait for extra money.
If you have a slow money flow speeding up helps get money faster.
 

xTo

xTo
I don't understand the hostility towards the "unrealistic" biomes. Planet Zoo is a game, not a scientific biome simulation program. Yes, the devs have said they strive to make the game realistic and modern but it makes no sense to restrict the player in what biomes they use.

"Oh you choose tundra zoo location? All savannah based animals are now unhappy per default".

I love making themed zoos in Zoo Tycoon 2 but I also love making a freestyle zoo with random biomes here and there regardless of wether it's realistic or not. It would be sad if they choose to complicate the use of biomes because of "realism".
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
I think it would be nice if there would be a work around for biomes that are not fitting for specific animals. Say you build your zoo in a rather hot enviorement. you could build indoor excibits with some kind of strong aire conditioning. Were I live (europe, germany) this is very common for tropical animals and animals that likes it a little cooler.
 

Tony_Drümz

Tony_Drümz
Regarding the subject of time, I would like the game to have an option to choose the speed of events. For example, Zoo Tycoon 2 felt that a pregnancy was very fast, for example, an African elephant lasts 22 months, I would like to have the option to make the time more real or shorter, as in The Sims 3 and 4. I know some want it to be fast, and I understand it. For that reason, I would like there to be a time option, and each gamer chooses his most pleasant way regarding this topic. Sorry, but my language is Spanish, I hope you understand what I mean. Greetings.
 

Maky1355

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Urufu1997 said:
I hope Breeding will be much more difficult. I hate it to have 4 Animals of a Species and after a few months there are 500
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I partially agree. I hate having 500 animals at once and with the family tree it's a pain because you need to be crazy selective which ones you release. It could be managed with a longer reset when the animal is ready to mate again or there could be that the animal only reproduces during spring and fall.

As far as the rest goes - I have complete hope. ZT2 at the end was very buggy and as far as I've seen in Planet Coaster we don't have to worry about that.
 

DTV Enternainment

DTV Enternainment
Maky1355 said:
I partially agree. I hate having 500 animals at once and with the family tree it's a pain because you need to be crazy selective which ones you release. It could be managed with a longer reset when the animal is ready to mate again or there could be that the animal only reproduces during spring and fall.

As far as the rest goes - I have complete hope. ZT2 at the end was very buggy and as far as I've seen in Planet Coaster we don't have to worry about that.
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I had at the End a Simple way too keep them. I keept Males and Females Seperate from each other. So they make not Many Offspring together.
I can Imagine, that you can Neutered your animals, when Breeding is not a Wish with some of the Animals. and I think the Matingprocess could be a little bit Compare to WLP. They had a little section where the Mating process is growing. when its Full, hey where ready to mate.
 

Maky1355

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DTV Enternainment said:
I had at the End a Simple way too keep them. I keept Males and Females Seperate from each other. So they make not Many Offspring together.
I can Imagine, that you can Neutered your animals, when Breeding is not a Wish with some of the Animals. and I think the Matingprocess could be a little bit Compare to WLP. They had a little section where the Mating process is growing. when its Full, hey where ready to mate.
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Animals not breeding was a total dealbreaker for me with JWE, without it the game just feels empty and in zt2 the animals had hidden lifespans so you couldn't time the breeding even with birth control/keeping them separate/sterilization so the population would remain roughly the same. I do think WLP2 and 3 got it right, can't remember exactly how it was but I was happy with it.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
It's actually pretty realistic that you have problems with having to much offfspring in zoos. Hippos and Lions are knowen for breeding VERY easily, to a poiint were contraception is needed in order to keep the populations under control. Other species, like apes and some big cats, have trouble breeding in captivity.
There was a pretty balanced out system in Zoo Tycoon 1, were lions bred insanely often and you get rewarded for breeding very rare species like the black panther.
 

Voids Light

Voids Light
The main thing I hated about the original zoo tycoon was how the animals were extremely picky.. but besides that, I had no issues with the first game. The second game was the same, I had no real issues with it at all.
 
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