Powerplay The Truth about Pranav Antal Revelaed by David Braben - Power Play

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Except people request to join Utopia, they aren't conquered or driven by speeches that place blame and strike fear into the audience. Utopia is real and if their current situation was better, they wouldn't be begging to be welcomed into the conclave.

and they are begging.
 
Except people request to join Utopia, they aren't conquered or driven by speeches that place blame and strike fear into the audience.

By staging violent protests? If Antal's Utopia is such a wonderful place, why do democratic systems generate **so many** political prisoners? Isn't it strange that when the populace has a say in how they are governed, they are far more likely to end up as political prisoners than if they are living under a repressive government?
 
If anyone can undo the violence we have done to ourselves as a race, I'll gladly follow that man/woman/thing.

How do we undo violence with violence? Or without it?

It would be great if ED introduced a non-agressive way of undermining that wasn't just delivering propaganda. Something that required a bit of skill. Maybe like sneaking into systems to spy on them? Or maybe piracy?

Or is that already a thing?
 
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Communists...everywhere.

Yep - that would be the idea!

democratic systems generate **so many** political prisoners

Common misconception: there's only one dissident per container - they travel in extreme luxury.

...the populace... are far more likely to end up...

No sir - the populace rarely end up in the back of the Cutter. Just the huge numbers of corrupt politicians there are about. Check your local newsfeed if you are in any doubt as to the number.
 
Because 160,000 political prisoners in a week is a tiny amount, right?

Let's see... 159.4bil total population so that's 0.0001004%, yep, tiny.

Also quote from the expansion game description: "Saving systems from the misguided bureaucrats who resist the truth of Utopia, Pranav Antal recruits Utopian Agitators to liberate the system from its misguided rule."

So it's this system population fighting (recruited to act as Utopian Agitators) the administration who has oppressed them prior to deciding to join the Utopia. Also note that Aisling, Antal and Winters are the only powers who ask the population of the system if they actually want to join or not and only proceed to expansion stage if there is enough support. Corporates buy the infrastructure and markets, forcing the population of the system to join becoming corporate slaves. Others take the system by force.
 
So it's this system population fighting (recruited to act as Utopian Agitators) the administration who has oppressed them prior to deciding to join the Utopia.

Because that's how democracies work, right?

Look - no one in PowerPlay is the good guy. You can try to paint any power as the perfect solution to anything, but the simple fact is that every single power would rather deal with something other than democratically elected governments, and some are outright hostile to democratically elected governments (like Antal and Torval).
 
By staging violent protests? If Antal's Utopia is such a wonderful place, why do democratic systems generate **so many** political prisoners? Isn't it strange that when the populace has a say in how they are governed, they are far more likely to end up as political prisoners than if they are living under a repressive government?


The violent protest can only take place if the general population accepts the message of Utopia. If the message does not get through, falls on deaf ear or is not clear enough then there is no violent protest against the corrupt government.

Sorry the second part of you statement does not make sense to me and contradicts it self. A representative government is the peopel having their say in how they are governed.
 
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Because that's how democracies work, right?

Look - no one in PowerPlay is the good guy. You can try to paint any power as the perfect solution to anything, but the simple fact is that every single power would rather deal with something other than democratically elected governments, and some are outright hostile to democratically elected governments (like Antal and Torval).

Well in theory democracy is a good idea just like communism is for different reasons. However in practice there are corrupt people who manipulate the power distribution so that "their vote" counts for the vote of many. In communism this has typically been some dictator like Stalin etc. In democracy it's some party who tells people how to vote. Of course the difference is that dictators hold near total power while in democracy there might be minorities who get to vote against the will of the major party but because they don't have the numbers, their votes simply don't count as far as the end result is concerned. Democracy is not perfect, not in real life and not in Elite (no gov type is).

The reason why Antal is hostile towards democratically elected governments is just that. Those governments have used their power to distribute the wealth of the system so that those who are in power get to have most of the resources and enjoy luxurious life (same is true for feudal and dictatorship of course but because the power is centralized, it's easier to change the way to lead). Then comes Antal and says that can't we share the technological advantagements and make everyone have a good quality of life? Of course those who have to give up their higher quality of life and political power feel enraged and fight back, thus violent protests. Note that Utopia is not favorable to expand to dictatorship any more than it's to democracy and actually unfavorable to feudal (they want to maintain their uneven wealth distribution).

So basically the Utopian hostile stance towards democracy and support for co-operative, communism, dictatorship and feudal comes from the fact that with those government types the administration is less likely to resist the Utopian rules (strict moral way of life and more sharing). Note that Utopian dictatorship and feudal government types are very different from "normal" corresponding gov types in that they fully support the Utopian way by applying the famous bans for example. The totalitarian power structure (which feudal and dictatorship already have in place) is simply used to ensure no-one tries to oppress another human being and if they do they become what you call political prisoners and are shipped to Polevnic. In practice this means they are given another change to embrace the Utopian ways and go back to the society if they abandon their oppressive ways but I do acknowledge there is "a dark side of Utopia" as well and some of the dissidents are simply impossible to integrate back to society and are simply executed. In democracies those power holding parties can easily inject their corrupt thinking into population thus increasing the amount of dissidents.

Torval uses the same control mechanics than Utopia but for different reason and this too is written in the game lore (PP descriptions). Torval says: "Hiring private security allows Senator Torval to keep distance from some of the darker methods of control used to keep systems in line." while Utopian description state "Only through vigilance can the followers of Utopia be kept safe from the menace of opposition. This requires extra purity on the part of the enforcers, but they are willing to make this sacrifice.". So the interesting part is that while both have covert control mechanics, the other (Torval) secretly gets rid of those who oppose the oppression and tries to hide it while Utopia openly gets rids of those who oppress and feel bad about it (willing to make this sacrifice). Not everyone can be saved and that's the shortcoming of Utopia and ultimately the point why I agree that there is no good guy in powerplay because there is no such thing as absolute good.

If you spot any conflicts with the ingame lore, please let me know. Utopians love their roleplay but at least I want it to be consistent with what's already officially in the game.
 
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