Shows once again why many have no faith in it....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-41389520
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-41389520
General / Off-Topic The UK legal system
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About par for the course.
People generally have suspended sentences for first offenses in the UK. If the courts locked up everyone found guilty the prison population, already over capacity, would be unsustainable and they'd be releasing even more offenders early.
There were circumstances behind the assault which make it apparent it was not pre-meditated and unlikely to happen again. This individual can either;
1. Go back, finish her studies, and become a productive tax-payer.
2. Be sentenced, have her career ruined, and then become a burden on the tax-payer.
Why is picking option 1 "wrong"?
EDIT: 10 months?! Sentences have really gone up since I was a youngster.
People generally have suspended sentences for first offenses in the UK. If the courts locked up everyone found guilty the prison population, already over capacity, would be unsustainable and they'd be releasing even more offenders early.
There were circumstances behind the assault which make it apparent it was not pre-meditated and unlikely to happen again. This individual can either;
1. Go back, finish her studies, and become a productive tax-payer.
2. Be sentenced, have her career ruined, and then become a burden on the tax-payer.
Why is picking option 1 "wrong"?
EDIT: 10 months?! Sentences have really gone up since I was a youngster.
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If anyone is interested in hearing some actual information in why this woman received this particular sentence then the experts are out in force answering questions and dispelling tabloidesque outrage.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017...-bread-knife-so-why-did-she-not-go-to-prison/
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017...-bread-knife-so-why-did-she-not-go-to-prison/
If she's coming at you with a meat cleaver?
If you're carrying a knife and you fall towards her?
If you're jealous because you thought she looked at another man?
If you're schizophrenic and honestly thought she was trying to kill you?
Do we treat all of these cases the same? Or do we, you know, actually apply some actual thought to the sentencing and rehabilitation process?
No, no. Everything needs to be simplified to black and white. If you can add some male grievance and imply that the system is biased, all the better.
Having the right mouth-piece in the court room, makes all the difference and she had the right mouth piece.
It would be interesting to see how many 10 month sentences, suspended or otherwise, are handed out this year. For stabbing someone in a drug and alcohol fuelled rage. Yes it would be a shame if her life was ruined due to a custodial sentence; but A: Stabbing someone and not having them die, happens by luck and not design and B: We can be sure that 100s, if not 1,000s of lives have been ruined by being given custodial sentences in the last month; it happens and we have no idea of the potential of any of them.
In this case she stabbed her boyfriend in the thigh with a bread knife. Death wasn't really on the cards.
That said, I'm not convinced she is the sort of person I'd want operating on anybody as a surgeon.
Minonian
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Well...
It's not custodian service ruins her life, but the punishment for the crime she committed.
if you don't want to happen don't do something like this! That's all.
Thigh? Upper leg, what are those big arteries that are at the top of our legs called? Pop one of those and you can be dead in 15 seconds.
She was not in control; she lost it. He had defence wounds and they were lucky.
It is done; lets hope she learns from it and goes on to become a great asset to this planet, fair enough.
I would say that the money that sorted the mouth piece; has also been used to help the recovery, etc. etc. etc.
They didn't "let her off" at all. She has a 10 month prison sentence (suspended).
If anyone truly wants to know why then, rather than just guessing, why not read the sentencing remarks?
If anyone truly wants to know why then, rather than just guessing, why not read the sentencing remarks?
...........and?
6 months bail and a lot of experts. Also immediate medical help. As you said. All well and proper, nothing to see here.
Minonian
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So she did not came out of it clean after all?
That's a different story and considering nothing irreversible happened?
Actually, I think it is all well and proper. This seems like reverse discrimination on readers' parts here.
I regularly read about local cases with worse impacts by repeat offenders which don't end with custodial sentences.
I read the report before I commented, it didn't change my mind.
We have a two tier legal system to go with our two tier health system, if you have the money you get better treatment in either.
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verminstar
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Most the repeat offenders on the estate where I live are all under 16 so the law cant touch them...those over 18 are well known in the community and they know that anti social behaviour isnt tolerated on the estate. Its not the police they fear...I can tell ye from personal experience that the law is a standing joke here. Nobody I know is even remotely worried by them and when it comes to dealing with anti social kids, the law is just a total fail.
I say this as a lifetime repeat offender who has been to prison twice, once on remand that turned into nothing after my well paid brief found some irregularities and got the case thrown out of court.
My brother in law...up fer attempted murder and ABH...thats actual bodily harm. Lots of witnesses and even captured on CCTV. That previously mentioned very well paid brief got him 18 months suspended sentance and a promise to attend various rehabilitation courses after he argued his client was suffering from severe PTSD after 2 tours in the former Yugoslavia and 3 tours in Kuwait/Iraq.
Never underestimate a bent brief...throw enough money at them and they always find a way because they the first ones to tell ye the law is a joke in the UK...thats why guys like him make a fortune finding the holes and the flaws and using them against the system. Its not breaking the laws, just bending the rules and regulations behind them...the more money ye throw at it, the more effective the bending becomes.
Its been this way fer as long as my father can remember so doubtful anything significant is gonna change now. Thats why some of us here in Northern Ireland have been policing ourselves fer generations...the results speak fer themselves and there is virtually no crime on this estate unless its been authorized. Given the choice between doing nothing and having the hoods run wild on the estate and taking matters into our own hands and living on an estate where pensioners are not afraid of walking the streets in the evening...well I know what my choice would be.
Judge the morality of that after living here fer a few years ^
Back when I was a kid of 17 one of the other kids in my street, who was 19, was quite a nasty piece of work.
He was quite violent, aggressive, and sold certain types of "tobacco".
Someone, a younger lad of 16 who lived a few streets away, owed him money for such tobacco and couldn't get the cash together. So this guy shook him down and took his coat.
So far, so thuggish.
The coat contained the keys to the younger lads house. So this fellow went around, with one of his mates, one afternoon, when nobody was in, and let himself in to take something of value.
Unfortunately this was about dinner time, and the young lads dad arrived at the house, the alarm going whiirwhiir.
The man comes in, and sees the two young males in his kitchen. The next thing he knows he is picking splinters of his glasses out of his face and clutching two fractured ribs.
He is also contemplating life without a video recorder.
5 days later the CID pick up the youngsters, and they're processed. They're both on benefits. The younger guy has a string of offenses to his name, the older guy has an arrest warrant issued for non appearance in court over a mountain bike theft, and both are on bail for attempted taking without consent of a motor vehicle.
What is the resulting sentence for the aggravated burglary and unlawful wounding?
4 months for each sentence, running concurrently. Half time served, 8 weeks in total. 3 in Lancaster Farms, 5 in Thorn Cross where you get a key to your own cell.
Money doesn't really get you much in the UK in terms of escaping the law. Being in government however....
He was quite violent, aggressive, and sold certain types of "tobacco".
Someone, a younger lad of 16 who lived a few streets away, owed him money for such tobacco and couldn't get the cash together. So this guy shook him down and took his coat.
So far, so thuggish.
The coat contained the keys to the younger lads house. So this fellow went around, with one of his mates, one afternoon, when nobody was in, and let himself in to take something of value.
Unfortunately this was about dinner time, and the young lads dad arrived at the house, the alarm going whiirwhiir.
The man comes in, and sees the two young males in his kitchen. The next thing he knows he is picking splinters of his glasses out of his face and clutching two fractured ribs.
He is also contemplating life without a video recorder.
5 days later the CID pick up the youngsters, and they're processed. They're both on benefits. The younger guy has a string of offenses to his name, the older guy has an arrest warrant issued for non appearance in court over a mountain bike theft, and both are on bail for attempted taking without consent of a motor vehicle.
What is the resulting sentence for the aggravated burglary and unlawful wounding?
4 months for each sentence, running concurrently. Half time served, 8 weeks in total. 3 in Lancaster Farms, 5 in Thorn Cross where you get a key to your own cell.
Money doesn't really get you much in the UK in terms of escaping the law. Being in government however....
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