Thoughts, bugs maybe?

[Sniffy75]

I'm not sure if these are intended "features" or just odd bugs in the way things are handled so I'll describe my recent experiences and get peoples thoughts.

1. Some time ago while flying around i picked up a stray canister marked illegal in the jurisdiction (why is picking up space junk illegal anyhow?) and I figured id give a go at sneaking it in and figured if caught I'd just get a small fine which id pay off an be on my way. Well, the fine I got for this one canister, which was only worth about 1500-2000 cr on the black market was well over 200K!, which to my mind is way out of proportion to the crime.

2. Today, I was engaged in a little bounty hunting within an extraction site and since i'm on friendly terms with the local authorities I thought I'd give them a helping hand with a motley bunch of vipers and sidewinders.
I singled out one suspect with the Wanted tag who was hanging in the background and not getting involved in the current fight but the moment I attacked I got slapped with a small 265 cr fine for assaulting the guy and the system authority guys nearby turn on me.

3. After I got out of there with my skin intact, I was making my way back to the local station to pay off my fine since I don't want any trouble with the local lads, I was interdicted, not by an authority ship but some other random twerp, probably after my bounty. Anyhow, after submitting to the interdiction, I waited for him to make the first move and attack before blowing his little eagle to smithereens and I get fined again for "murdering" him, even though he interdicted me and also attacked first!

 

[Hellhawk666]

The lore explanation is that canisters are coded in some way to indicate the shipper and the pilot who is shipping the consignment. Consequently anything that is picked up in space belongs to someone else and is automatically considered stolen.

What would be good, however, is if we could buy a salvage license, so that such goods could be sold on the open market as usual, but for less.

The bounty hunting thing must have involved something like wanted felons who were friendly with the local authorities. I've had similar things happen when bounty hunting, when a legitimate pirate is friendly with a faction that I'm friendly with - I get the bounty, but lose rep with some of the factions and earn a fine.

 

[Valethar]

1) Anything that doesn't belong to you is 'stolen' by default. Illegal is a different animal, and even if you buy it legitimately, some jurisdictions are going to frown upon your possessing it. In this case you got hit twice I imagine. Once for having stolen cargo, once for being in possession of contraband.

2) You didn't scan the other ship before attacking, which made you the aggressor. You weren't given a fine, you were given a bounty. System Authorities do not attack you for fines.

3) If he didn't hit you first, and if you also didn't have the 'report crimes' option toggled on, then you ended up with yet another bounty, not a fine. You can retaliate if attacked, but they have to actually make contact with their weapons, and you have to have the 'report crimes' option set properly to do so, unless you're in an Anarchy system.

 

[rootsrat]

I'm not sure if these are intended "features" or just odd bugs in the way things are handled so I'll describe my recent experiences and get peoples thoughts.

1. Some time ago while flying around i picked up a stray canister marked illegal in the jurisdiction (why is picking up space junk illegal anyhow?) and I figured id give a go at sneaking it in and figured if caught I'd just get a small fine which id pay off an be on my way. Well, the fine I got for this one canister, which was only worth about 1500-2000 cr on the black market was well over 200K!, which to my mind is way out of proportion to the crime.

2. Today, I was engaged in a little bounty hunting within an extraction site and since i'm on friendly terms with the local authorities I thought I'd give them a helping hand with a motley bunch of vipers and sidewinders.
I singled out one suspect with the Wanted tag who was hanging in the background and not getting involved in the current fight but the moment I attacked I got slapped with a small 265 cr fine for assaulting the guy and the system authority guys nearby turn on me.

3. After I got out of there with my skin intact, I was making my way back to the local station to pay off my fine since I don't want any trouble with the local lads, I was interdicted, not by an authority ship but some other random twerp, probably after my bounty. Anyhow, after submitting to the interdiction, I waited for him to make the first move and attack before blowing his little eagle to smithereens and I get fined again for "murdering" him, even though he interdicted me and also attacked first!

1. <shrug>

2. This is clearly a bug. When you attack a Wanted ship you are not supposed to get Wanted status yourself. You should report it as a bug. UNLESS - you've fired at the ship before your ship finished scanning it and this confirming the Wanted status of that ship. In that case the ship was not considered as Wanted when you shot it and the issued BOUNTY (not fine) was correct.

3. You would already be Wanted for assaulting that first ship (you can check your local status in the right hand side panel on the Reputation tab) in which case your interdictor had a full right to unleash his laser power on you.

 

[Top Cat]

<1>This one actually was a bug following a tweak in the way fines worked.

It was fixed shortly after.

<3> Did he actually hit you or just fire first? Interdicting itself is not a crime, and he only becomes a valid target after hit hits you, not after he opens fire and misses.

 

[TriumphANT]

The fines for some stuff are massive. I had some stolen/illegal black boxes (or maybe military plans or whatever) which ended up selling for about 7,000Cr. My total fines were around 25,000Cr when I got scanned. Learning to smuggle is an artform of Elite space.

Funny things can happen at RES's and Nav Beacons if you're attacking ships grouped in Wings. Usually a Hostile ship is always Wanted from your perspective, as even pirates just float around waiting to be scanned and attacked, but if you attack a Wing partner, the other ship will be flashing red and will be Wanted, but you haven't targetted/scanned him yet, so your first shop counts as hostile fire on the target. RUN!

Finally, I think you STILL didn't scan the third guy. That's happened to me when I have a bounty. He is allowed to attack a Wanted ship (you). The interdiction makes him Wanted, but you need to scan to "see" that. That's happened to me once really close to a station, and I ended up having to Hyperspace away as I was inundated, mass locked and generally getting my bits handed to me on a plate.

 

[Ancipital]

<3> Did he actually hit you or just fire first? Interdicting itself is not a crime, and he only becomes a valid target after hit hits you, not after he opens fire and misses.

Interdicting a clean target is a crime. That changed in 1.1. However, that's not relevant here, as we're talking about someone who's already wanted.

 

[edgar]

I'm not sure if these are intended "features" or just odd bugs in the way things are handled so I'll describe my recent experiences and get peoples thoughts.

1. Some time ago while flying around i picked up a stray canister marked illegal in the jurisdiction (why is picking up space junk illegal anyhow?) and I figured id give a go at sneaking it in and figured if caught I'd just get a small fine which id pay off an be on my way. Well, the fine I got for this one canister, which was only worth about 1500-2000 cr on the black market was well over 200K!, which to my mind is way out of proportion to the crime.

2. Today, I was engaged in a little bounty hunting within an extraction site and since i'm on friendly terms with the local authorities I thought I'd give them a helping hand with a motley bunch of vipers and sidewinders.
I singled out one suspect with the Wanted tag who was hanging in the background and not getting involved in the current fight but the moment I attacked I got slapped with a small 265 cr fine for assaulting the guy and the system authority guys nearby turn on me.

3. After I got out of there with my skin intact, I was making my way back to the local station to pay off my fine since I don't want any trouble with the local lads, I was interdicted, not by an authority ship but some other random twerp, probably after my bounty. Anyhow, after submitting to the interdiction, I waited for him to make the first move and attack before blowing his little eagle to smithereens and I get fined again for "murdering" him, even though he interdicted me and also attacked first!

1) All cargo which you haven't bought yourself is classed as illegal salvage. Some commodities are illegal in certain jurisdictions: it sounds like you were fined for both, a fine for carrying stolen goods, and another fine for smuggling contraband.

2) Sounds like a bug. If you had scanned the target and could see "Wanted" on them, you should be able to freely attack. Report it as a bug.

3) You were Wanted at this point, sounds like you were interdicted by an NPC bounty hunter. You were Wanted so the NPC was free to attack you. The NPC would have been Clean, so retaliating was a crime and the Bounties on you for assaulting and murdering the NPC bounty hunter are legitimate.

 

[dayrth]

...<3> Did he actually hit you or just fire first? Interdicting itself is not a crime, and he only becomes a valid target after hit hits you, not after he opens fire and misses.

It doesn't matter. By now the OP was wanted. Anyone can fire on him with impunity, (as long as they have scanned him to see the wanted status). Killing the attacker, even in self defense will still be murder.

Ninjad

 

[Vasious]

I'm not sure if these are intended "features" or just odd bugs in the way things are handled so I'll describe my recent experiences and get peoples thoughts.

1. Some time ago while flying around i picked up a stray canister marked illegal in the jurisdiction (why is picking up space junk illegal anyhow?) and I figured id give a go at sneaking it in and figured if caught I'd just get a small fine which id pay off an be on my way. Well, the fine I got for this one canister, which was only worth about 1500-2000 cr on the black market was well over 200K!, which to my mind is way out of proportion to the crime.

2. Today, I was engaged in a little bounty hunting within an extraction site and since i'm on friendly terms with the local authorities I thought I'd give them a helping hand with a motley bunch of vipers and sidewinders.
I singled out one suspect with the Wanted tag who was hanging in the background and not getting involved in the current fight but the moment I attacked I got slapped with a small 265 cr fine for assaulting the guy and the system authority guys nearby turn on me.

3. After I got out of there with my skin intact, I was making my way back to the local station to pay off my fine since I don't want any trouble with the local lads, I was interdicted, not by an authority ship but some other random twerp, probably after my bounty. Anyhow, after submitting to the interdiction, I waited for him to make the first move and attack before blowing his little eagle to smithereens and I get fined again for "murdering" him, even though he interdicted me and also attacked first!

1) The fine is usually more than what you get for selling it but usually ~50% not that much
2) You may have fired before the "Wanted" status was fully confirmed. They are fine tuning the "threat level" the police perceive the player as when they happens
3) When he interdicted & attacked you, a wanted criminal, he didn't commit a crime, you however, killed a clean pilot.