Thrustmaster Warthog & E:D

[Spin]

I finally took the plunge and ordered me the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS setup, it hasn't arrived yet and I'm wondering if I made a mistake.

Is it worth it?
I hear it doesnt have any twist functionality so the yaw may not work completely.
I don't really want to purchase any pedals to do the yaw left/right so is it possible to comfortably use yaw left/right on the joystick?

Currently i'm using a xbox control to play the game and Oculus DK2 and I have every function on the controller, yaw into roll etc. etc. which seems great. I'm just mainly curious if anyone else was able to setup theirs correctly without pedals.

thanks!

I see this post that refers to this image:
http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/H...sterWarthogThrottleChart_zps91b2bcaf.jpg.html
It's showing using the throttle to thrust left/right/up/down with one of the bottoms there. That should work right?

 

[philux]

To buy a Warthog only for ED might be overkill. If you want to srsly get into air combat sims (DCS, IL2, BMS) though I'd recommend to pick up the WH together with a FSSB R3 mod, some Crosswind pedals and TrackIR.

 

[LtCasey]

Best buy you did, believe me. Iam a Warthog owner myself. Honestly, spend some more bucks for some saitek pedals, and enjoy your Ride! There is no rudder axis on the 'hog'. But, again, no mistake made!

 

[Spin]

To buy a Warthog only for ED might be overkill. If you want to srsly get into air combat sims (DCS, IL2, BMS) though I'd recommend to pick up the WH together with a FSSB R3 mod, some Crosswind pedals and TrackIR.

I plan on using them for ED and SC maybe some other combat games, but ED is ALL ive been playing since release.
I thought about the trackIR but seems unlikely that id need it since I'll be using oculus dk2/cv1

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Best buy you did, believe me. Iam a Warthog owner myself. Honestly, spend some more bucks for some saitek pedals, and enjoy your Ride! There is no rudder axis on the 'hog'. But, again, no mistake made!

thats good to hear! is it possible to somehow still map the rudder axis to the hog? I don't really want to dump 200$ into the pedals also righ tnow maybe a little later down the road.

 

[CATPAIN KIRK]

Is it worth it?

Entirely depends on your budget and preferences. To me, it was worth every cent, but then, I own mine for over 2 years and play flight sims (amongst them DCS A10c) and I have a tic in that I hate plastic.

I tried using the slew control axes on the throttle to yaw because I often sit crosslegged whilst flying and it works reasonably well, but then again, I found out that pedals provide more precise yaw controls and since I have some anyway, I ended up putting my feet down when things get hot.

Personally, I've never been comfortable with yaw to roll, as I mostly use yaw on top of roll, but that's probably just me.

 

[Le-Betz]

Welcome to the forum, commander and gratulations, you get yourself some serious piece of hardware.

Yes, it's really worth it, it's so solidly built that i doubt that you will ever need to buy another joystick, ever (weighs about 3 Kg, so be careful not to drop it on your feet, it can break toes that way or cut its cable - happened to me).

But you should save some money for pedals, because there is no way to assign yaw and roll control on it, though i must admit that i never really thought about that (i use saitek pedals).

 

[Spin]

thanks for the awesome replys,

kinda stinks that theres no way to map the yaw and roll control both to it.
looks like ill be ordering http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Flight...&qid=1415480347&sr=1-2&keywords=saitek+pedals soon.

 

[CATPAIN KIRK]

thanks for the awesome replys,

kinda stinks that theres no way to map the yaw and roll control both to it.
looks like ill be ordering http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Flight...&qid=1415480347&sr=1-2&keywords=saitek+pedals soon.

Of course you can - you have six 4-way hats you could assign it to as digital yaw control or assign it to the slew control, which has two analogue axes. It's a bit like the mousehat hat on IBM Thinkpads, but admiitedly, it feels a bit wobbly to me and pedals are more precise, so getting some pedals certainly isn't a bad idea.

 

[blacky75]

I finally took the plunge and ordered me the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS setup, it hasn't arrived yet and I'm wondering if I made a mistake.

Is it worth it?
I hear it doesnt have any twist functionality so the yaw may not work completely.
I don't really want to purchase any pedals to do the yaw left/right so is it possible to comfortably use yaw left/right on the joystick?

Currently i'm using a xbox control to play the game and Oculus DK2 and I have every function on the controller, yaw into roll etc. etc. which seems great. I'm just mainly curious if anyone else was able to setup theirs correctly without pedals.

thanks!

I see this post that refers to this image:
http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/H...sterWarthogThrottleChart_zps91b2bcaf.jpg.html
It's showing using the throttle to thrust left/right/up/down with one of the bottoms there. That should work right?

The Warthog isn't an overkill at all, as you'll use it for other sims too, sooner or later, garantied! Now, what I don't understand: if you bought that expensive, then there is NO REASON of not buying pedals (errrr, maybe one reason, you lost your legs... not joking, you never know who you are talking to on the net...).

Anyway... pedals are MUST in addon to THAT joystick, and any other.

have fun, I'm with the Warthog now since 5 years, no regrets so far, at all!

 

[Jonas Treesong]

Great piece of kit. Sits like a brick. I use the left hat on the throttle for yaw. It's a bit meh but my annual budget for game peripherals is depleted after purchasing the Warthog....

 

[Kraft]

I stopped using my Warthog for Elite, the spring was made for fine adjustments like you normally do in DCS etc not 'throwing the stick from one extreme to the other" I can't imagine the wear and tear (and tears) of hundrets of hours in Elite and then trying to air refuel in DCS , using KB+mouse+TrackIR is also - atleast for me - more effective.

 

[Victory]

I love my Warthog. If you want to use Yaw, I recommend you to turn on "Yaw into Roll" in the game option. It is more convenient than using Pedal for combat but for landing you may need to set secondary yaw on any HAT on your throttle.

 

[cletus]

I came so close to buying the Warthog. It was the lack of yaw on the stick that finally pushed me toward the X55 Rhino (and a good deal from a vendor at PAX Melbourne last week). I've watched and read a few reviews comparing the two and while the Warthog certainly is better in terms of build quality, they both seem to get similar positives and negatives in terms of actual performance. The X55 throttle and the Warthog stick tend to get more love out of the two. I didn't want to use pedals. It came down to that. I think in the end I'm happier that I have yaw, a few more buttons to assign things to and I don't have to buy another peripheral for my pc (pedals). The downside being I may be replacing this H.O.T.A.S in a few years whereas the Warthog would last much longer.

 

[sam75]

I map the yaw control to the analogue slider just next to the Warthog throttle, plus there is a toggle to convert roll input into yaw, which I map to a pinky button on the flight stick.

I find that with these two options it works well, if you are rolling and want to yaw at the same time, or need to make smooth inputs, you can use the slider on the throttle (which you can feel out without having to look at the throttle), or if you need to make a quick yaw change like when docking or landing, the pinky switch on the flight stick is perfect as you can keep your other hand on the throttle controlling the speed.

Overall I find the Warthog perfect for ED, I never have to touch the keyboard (except for galaxy map). There are enough buttons and switches to do everything, and if you use Voice Attack it is even easier.

 

[Flossy]

I see this post that refers to this image:
http://s1062.photobucket.com/user/H...sterWarthogThrottleChart_zps91b2bcaf.jpg.html
It's showing using the throttle to thrust left/right/up/down with one of the bottoms there. That should work right?

Hi Spin, wonder if you are the same Spin I used to know in Air Warrior? Anyway, that is one of my diagrams of the Warthog Throttle, though I have made quite a few changes to it since creating that. The thrust left/right/up/down certainly does work, I use that button mainly in landing mode (triggered by lowering landing gear) to make fine adjustments over the landing pad and have since programmed the slider (Slider 0) for Forward and Reverse thrust in landing mode, though as Sam75 says, you could use that for yaw if you don't have pedals. I personally use Saitek Pro Pedals but then I do play a combat flight sim (Aces High) as well as E: D.

 

[Gawyn]

I personally mapped the yaw axis to the x-axis of the mini-stick in the throttle. That worked really well for me and gave me all the control I needed for those fine adjustments when coming in to dock .

I also mapped one of engine the switches to flight assist off (useful for kicing your ship around during combat) and a few other minor tweaks to the default setup.

 

[Gurney]

Hi Spin, wonder if you are the same Spin I used to know in Air Warrior?

Air Warrior... I flew as OttoVon for the Diktators - BZ! Wow that takes me back.

Going to post my TARGET script up here shortly and get some feedback on it. Running Warthog, TrackIR, Saitek Combat Pedals.

 

[thorn-]

I was a big Thrustmaster fan 15-20 years ago... tons of hours logged in flight sims and Descent. I still have the F16 stick, throttle and pedals, but unfortunately none of them work in a modern PC. (To be honest, I sort of prefer the old WCS throttle to the Warthog version at times. No hats, but more button-buttons.) But I haven't really gamed much in years, so never upgraded the TM.

But after buying the game last week and playing the Combat Training demo with a standard gamepad - ugh. So ill-suited for flying. Can't even imagine trying to use a mouse/keys. So last Saturday, hit Amazon and ordered the Warthog system on 2-day delivery. Seriously... such a great experience now. Practically everything assigned to the controls; I've only got GUI screen selection mapped to arrow keys. Pretty sure my girlfriend doesn't know how much this rig costs, but so completely worth it.

I think I'm missing pedals for yaw, but at the moment going to hold off on buying them. Mapped yaw to a hat, and for the moment seems ok.

Tip I read from another poster: set up your controls in ED so that you have landing control overrides. So then you can drop your gear, then use basically the same controls (stick, throttle) for landing thrusters. Also as many other TM users have said: using the TARGET software is completely optional. I'm not using it at all. I do wish more controls in ED had the toggle/hold option, though... would save a lot of toggle on/offs to activate a command.

At this point the only thing I'm regretting is not buying into the original beta - playing ONLY the combat demo for the next 5 days is killing me.

OP - GREAT choice on the TM. Don't have remorse for a second!

 

[Katkon]

OP: it's definitely worth it. I upgraded from a mouse and keyboard to an X52 Pro to a Warthog... All for just Elite. You saved yourself a step! And while I use Saitek Combat Pro pedals you can map yaw to the stick.

 

[Monkman]

I have a Warthog & saitek pro combat pedals....but I really prefer my old x52 for ED. Love the Warthog for DCS, but not great for ED....I have better control and can do things much faster with the x52.

Trackir5 is also essential...but with Oculus coming in 2015....trackir is still expensive.